What is Radical Feminisms stance on gender?

Submitted June 25, 2020, 10:13 a.m. by OtherLeadingBrands

My view is that gender is separate from sex, and that same sex attraction implies attraction to genitals rather than an individual. I also believe that most trans people transition for themselves, not for a sexual or romantic gain. Trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary individuals exist and should be treated with respect. Please respond in a civil manner, and I will extend that same courtesy to you. Have a lovely day!

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denverkris · June 25, 2020, 10:19 a.m. · 1 reply

same sex attraction implies attraction to genitals rather than an individual.

Ok. Do you also believe this about opposite sex attracted people? So, heterosexuals are also attracted to "genitals" and not the individual?

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:11 a.m. · 1 reply

I didn't say that they are, i said that it implies that.

denverkris · June 25, 2020, 11:15 a.m. · 1 reply

Right, you're implying that everyone's sexuality is really just an attraction to genitals, which is obviously a bad thing, amirite? I think everyone can see where you're going with this which is why your hot garbage got removed and no one else is responding. Please check the sidebar either here or in /r/gendercritical if you legitimately want an answer.

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:56 a.m.

its in the same vein of some incel who just wants nudes out of a relationship to treat people like a walking vagina or penis. its strips them of humanity. you can date without sex, you can sex without date.

Neither_Vacation · June 25, 2020, 10:23 a.m. · 1 reply

The idea of gender was created to control women. It doesn't exist. Sex exists. Performing "femininity" and "masculinity" does not make you female or male. How you were born does not determine if you wear dresses or makeup. Patriarchal society determined it.

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:18 a.m. · 1 reply

I hope you still respect people's identities though. It's not good to be mean to "break the patriarchy". Just because something was created to oppress doesn't mean it can't be reclaimed to empower! like the word queer. This is a very fascinating take, though, and I'm glad you took time out of your day to respond! Have a nice day!

Neither_Vacation · June 25, 2020, 11:53 a.m. · 1 reply

The day you see me being concerned about "being mean" after 10000 years of women's oppression is the day I've been taken away and replaced with a clone.

There is nothing empowering about embracing our oppression. More than anything, it's a sign of weakness.

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:54 a.m.

i guess black people cant be respectful by that logic huh

Tandarael · June 25, 2020, 10:24 a.m. · 2 replies

Radical feminism stance on gender is completely opposite to what you wrote besides one thing: people, no matter what, should be treated with respect. Trans men, trans women, non binary, binary, hexadecimal, straight, gay, bi, everyone who didn't understand yet.

As for the same sex attraction, it's a very funny arguments that I hear every time. I'll left it to my LGB sisters to answer, but I'd love to point out that as I straight woman I would not date a trans man. We can be good friends and form a deep connection, but when it comes to such an important part of relationships as sex, I'd prefer having sex with someone who has an actual dick. If I was attracted to genitals rather than a person, I'd fuck everyone around. But I choose a person and expect to see their genitals matching their sex.

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:16 a.m.

then what about aspecs?

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:20 a.m.

and yes, everyone should be treated with respect, i didn't mean to imply the opposite.

snailjuiice · June 25, 2020, 10:29 a.m. · 1 reply

The WHO's definition of gender is:

Gender refers to the roles, behaviours, activities, attributes and opportunities that any society considers appropriate for girls and boys, and women and men. Gender interacts with, but is different from, the binary categories of biological sex.

The definitions of woman and man are adult human female and adult human male. Now, when we say this we don't mean that gender and sex are the same, they obviously aren't. It's just that the words woman and man are simply human specific versions of the words female and male.

Gender isn't man and woman, but rather the expectations for men and women. Gender is more like masculinity and femininity, as these are the socio-cultural qualities and attributes we consider characteristic of men and women. This is how some cultures have more than 2 genders, I can't remember what it was but in one culture they have a 3rd gender for gay men because they don't fit into the other two socio-cultural roles.

My stance is that gender is a very harmful concept. We're exposed to it from birth, and it causes severe mental distress for some people which leads them to believe they need to change their bodies to fit in. It's an oppressive set of roles that we're expected to abide by and we are shamed if we don't. It's not an internal sense of self.

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 11:15 a.m. · 1 reply

this is a nice take on it, however, gender is only harmful if adherance to it becomes toxic. goth as an aesthetic is really cool, but i don't think most goths are "goffic". toxic masculinity exists for both trans and cis men, as well as toxic femininity, which i don't really see acknowledge that much. by "toxic femininity" i mean r/nicegirls and r/notliketheothergirls

gender in moderation is fun and makes people happy!

like chocolate

girl_undone · June 25, 2020, 12:28 p.m. · 1 reply

Gender is sexism. Not fun. Not happy.

OtherLeadingBrands · June 25, 2020, 12:30 p.m.

Good thing i yeeted mine a few weeks ago 😎

girl_undone · June 25, 2020, 11:10 a.m.

Read the sidebar/sticky post!