Porn causes violence?

Submitted June 24, 2020, 11:23 p.m. by Space_Crustation

Late night browsing has lead me here and I was wondering why y'all seem to think porn causes violence?

11 comments recovered from the Pushshift database.
Why_dont_ya_WGTOW · June 25, 2020, 1:09 a.m. · 1 reply

Because it normalizes degradation and abuse of women. Duh.

Perseus_the_BoldMGTOW · June 25, 2020, 1:13 a.m. · 2 replies

How?

phantomholiday143 · June 25, 2020, 2:20 a.m.

hOw??!

dobeyeNo Pill · June 25, 2020, 6:14 a.m.

(I'm plagiarizing from u/northswede because she said it perfectly )

We have a whole body of research showing that exposing young men and boys to sexual violence in media is a problem and makes them more likely to think rape is ok. Try google scholar. This is just lazy.

"And, especially among boys and young men who are frequent consumers of pornography, including of more violent materials, consumption intensifies attitudes supportive of sexual coercion and increases their likelihood of perpetrating assault"

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/car.1092

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0092656681900404

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260512441078

NorthrnSwedePink pilled · June 25, 2020, 5:09 a.m. · 1 reply

We have a whole body of research showing that exposing young men and boys to sexual violence in media is a problem and makes them more likely to think rape is ok. Try google scholar. This is just lazy.

Perseus_the_BoldMGTOW · June 25, 2020, 1:59 p.m. · 2 replies

1st citation: Porn is bad for kids. This is as obvious (as in duh!). The solution is to safeguard children from getting access to it. Better parenting, better education, and better vigilance is what is needed here. This says nothing about adults who watch porn out of their own free will.

2nd citation: The gist of it is that: Propaganda works on unwitting subjects. The study is designed to confirm that you can fill a man's head with an idea. This is called Propaganda and studies on it's effects are more than know, they are an applied science. The spin here is that this material can be used in the argument that Porn is Propaganda. Which it is not.

3. Correlation does not imply causation. This study is just plain bad science that even a college freshman would fail. It is a subjective argument piece and not an actual falsifiable hypothesis which is required in scientific peer-review. Although the methodology used is very good for avoiding bias or "pre-test contamination" all that it is saying is that - again - propaganda works. Only this time instead of movies like citation 2 they are proposing that video games are also propaganda. Without seeing their methodology in more detail and also without analyzing the details of the study I cannot say more about it.

The reason we do not believe all the negative propaganda against porn is because we ourselves watch porn, we know of others who also watch porn and yet we do not harbor any of this nonsense described in these studies. The situations that these studies demonstrate do not apply to average men, which is why I suspect so many of these studies never use significant sample sizes from general populations. In short words: These studies do not reflect reality, they only reflect the samples. Average men are not the subject which is why we are skeptical when you tell us that you think you know our minds better than we do.

NorthrnSwedePink pilled · June 25, 2020, 3:09 p.m.

wElL aCtUaLlY

Imagine living in your mom's basement but thinking you know better than scientists and researchers.

ninetiesbaby16 · June 26, 2020, 10:52 p.m. · 1 reply

Ummmm since when is media and entertainment not propaganda?! That’s literally the most effective form and the entire point is you don’t realize it’s propoganda...just stating porn isn’t propaganda isn’t an argument...You claim porn doesn’t have negative effects but I can already note the extensive frontal lobe damage.

Perseus_the_BoldMGTOW · June 27, 2020, 2:16 a.m.

Pornography is it's own category separate and apart from Propaganda. Pornography is intended to stimulate your sexual feelings whereas Propaganda is intended to promote and convince you of a certain political or ideological point of view. Porn can be used in propaganda but porn itself is not propaganda. I never said porn has no negative effects. I said that you people have no right to censure something just because it doesn't align with your sensibilities. If you don't like porn then don't watch it. I don't like the stuff that women watch either, should I go on a crusade to censure your entertainment because of muh feelings?

meezala · June 25, 2020, 7:23 p.m. · 1 reply

A large majority of it spreads false images of sexual relationships to young audiences. It would be fine for adults to watch, but there is no real way to prevent it from reaching under 18 audiences, especially in young men and boys as it is a genre typically geared towards men.

Perseus_the_BoldMGTOW · June 27, 2020, 2:28 a.m.

"A large majority of it spreads false images of sexual relationships to young audiences."

You do realize that we are not stupid enough to think that porn = real life, right? We know that porn is all false! It's fantasy! Anyone who believes that porn represents real life has bigger problems to worry about.

I agree with you however that we need to figure out a way for porn to stop reaching younger audiences. A 25yo knows porn is fiction but a child doesn't know anything and usually parents are utterly useless in explaining anything related to sex, and as far as the education system goes, let's just say that I have more faith in PornHub being an educational website than the school system.

Ultimately this is all down to parenting. It is not the responsibility of porn producers to act as the internet police. It is up to parents to supervise and educate their own kids. When my parents found out I was watching porn my dad talked to me and straight up told me it can be addictive because of the high that it produces in my brain. He never said it was bad or that I am forbidden from ever watching it, all he did was tell me the reality of it and left it all up to me to decide. Also my mom then started to tell me more about how girls are, what they think and how they prioritize and I guess that was her way of getting me interested in real girls instead of the fantasy online. Long story short: My parents stepped in and did their job.

Educate the parents if we are to do anything about the real problems with porn.