do you all believe socialization in pinkpill, or is it all biology?

Submitted Dec. 8, 2020, 10:55 a.m. by frspeech

I know blackpillfeminism believes everything is biology, but still confused exactly what pinkpill philosophy believes in.

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sstena · Dec. 8, 2020, 6:01 p.m. · 1 reply

Mainly lookism and the true nature of men.

Lookism is the discrimination of people based on their appearance. Things like attractive people having more advantages at work, being considered more intelligent, or more talented, receiving more lenient punishments, or being more likely to be hired despite having a criminal record. This stuff is also known as the "halo" effect and basically it means your life is a couple notches easier on some important ways.

When we talk about "the true nature of men" we refer to things like most sexual crime being perpetrated by males, the overwhelming majority of child trafficking consumers being men, men being considered to be naturally pedophilic because of their hard-wired attraction to child-like features, men being less empathetic towards child victims of sexual assault and whatnot.

dobeyeBlack pilled · Dec. 16, 2020, 7:31 p.m. · 2 replies

Any studies which show lookism affects women more than men? From my experience (though I guess the grass is always greener on the other side) lookism affects men as much as women, and I would even argue it affects men more, since most women look above average while most men look below average link

In regards to the sexual crime being perpetrated by men, that seems like a similar statistic to the black crime rate (13 percent of the population commiting 50 percent of the crime) and these statistics are both flawed in the same way, because it doesn't matter who does it more, it matters what percentage of men commit sexual assault, which I honest to God could not find an accurate statistic on despite searching in the vast corners of the internet. My search did lead me to the interesting statistic that in the us more men are raped than women, which kind of goes against the idea that women "have it worse" in terms of sexual assault. Regarding hard wired attraction to child like features, while I do agree that pedophiles are fucking disgusting, I believe (and this is honestly a personal opinion which I fully understand if you disagree with, I see where you're coming from) that people should be judged exclusively by their actions, not their hard wired thoughts, not the actions of other people who share their sex/gender/race/nationality/religion.

BeeReckless · Dec. 17, 2020, 4:08 p.m. · 1 reply

By the definition of the word "average" you can't possibly say that the majority of men are below average but the majority of women are average. It doesn't work that way.

And everything you said about sex crimes is just false. There is a ton of data on sexual assault, rape, victims, and perpetrators. The irrefutable fact is that men are more likely to be perpetrators of sex crimes than women are (the comment you responded to sourced this for you, I'd suggest you read them). Men are only said to be the majority of victims of sexual assault because of prisons and the violence they experience from other men inside of them. While this is horrific and the prison system in the US needs major reform, I think most rational individuals can agree this is a separate conversation entirely. When we talk about sex crimes we talk about them in regards to our society, and nothing about the prison system is accurately representative of the society that we live in. Removing the prison system from the conversation (it's a huge outlier, and again is it's own conversation to be had) women experience sexual assault far more often than men do. Trying to say "it doesn't matter who does it" does an incredible disservice to every woman who has experienced violence at the hands of men.

This is anecdotal, but I have never once been in a situation where I feared for my safety because of a woman. Every incident of being physically threatened, harassed, assaulted, groped, and generally made to feel unsafe has been because of a man. So to us it does matter who is committing the crimes, it does matter who is more likely to bring harm to us. It's all backed by statistics and they're not at all hard to find if you look or them, the previous commenter linked plenty, but ignoring them or trying to say they're irrelevant helps no one.

dobeyeBlack pilled · Dec. 17, 2020, 6:30 p.m. · 1 reply

It seems you haven't looked at the site I linked, when I said average I meant 2.5 on a scale of 1 to 5, in which most women rated men at 1.5 on average, while most men rated women at 2.5 on average.

I didn't deny that men were more likely to be predators than women, I said that judging men based on that statistic is fallacious, because we shouldn't judge men by the percentage that rape as opposed to the percentage of women who rape, we should judge men who rape as a percentage of the general male population. I don't quite see why that's a separate conversation, because if we're talking about our society, it seems like you blame the rape statistics on what many would refer to as "rape culture", at which point you're saying that rape isn't men's natural nature, it's a product of a flawed culture, in which case there's no reason to hate men. regarding "it doesn't matter who does it" you just misquoted me, I was saying it doesn't matter if men rape more than women, it matters what percentage of men rape in the general population.

in regards to your anecdote, are you sure that's not a product of you being a woman? because I've feared for my safety multiple times because of a woman. and you feeling threatened by men could say more about you than it does about men, because you're not saying you were threatened, you're saying you felt threatened. If 0.000005% of women in the us commit sexual assault, and 0.0005% of men commit sexual assault, then men still commit 90% of sexual assault, but you have no reason to fear men more than you fear women because the chance that a man you're interacting with will sexually assault you is for all intents and purposes is 0

BeeReckless · Dec. 17, 2020, 7:13 p.m. · 1 reply

Ratings on dating sites are not a viable way to judge attractiveness, and again I'm just going off of what you yourself said. "Average" has a specific meaning, you can't say most men are below average because that goes against the very definition of the word average.

And I specified exactly why prisons are a separate conversation, nothing about them is representative of society. The average person in society does not experience what a prisoner experiences, so to include crimes committed in prison when discussing any crime as it relates to the general public is not going to make sense. It's important, it needs to be discussed, but it doesn't need to be discussed just to skew the numbers away from the reality which is women are more likely to be the victims of sexual abuse than men.

And you're already trying to twist the last bit of what I said into something it isn't. You implied maybe I'm the problem because I "felt threatened", conveniently ignoring the full statement I made which was "physically threatened, harassed, assaulted, groped, and generally made to feel unsafe". Ask any woman you know about sexual violence or harassment, they'll all have stories. It's not us "feeling threatened", it's us being threatened and experiencing violence. We all have plenty of stories to tell, but guys like you aren't interested in listening you're just interested in telling us we're the problem and statistics are wrong because they don't fit your experiences.

dobeyeBlack pilled · Dec. 17, 2020, 7:34 p.m. · 1 reply

I have to say this is a really semantic and unnecessary discussion, which could very easily have been solved by you looking at the site I linked, but just to clarify

average looking (to me and to most people I have asked) means being rated a 5 on a scale of 1 to ten. most women rated men as looking below average, meaning they rated them below 1 2.5 on a scale of 1 to 5. most men rated women as being at around 2.5 on a scale of 1 to 5. If this does not make sense (and I can't stress this enough) just look at the article I linked.

I think a big part of the conversation we were having is who is more likely to be victimized in our society, and since the prison population is part of the society, I see no reason not to include statistics from prisons when talking about the likelihood of being victimized as a man. Just to clarify, me using counting every case of rape across the country isn't skewing the numbers, it's the most accurate way of looking at the numbers.

you've replied to every minor point I've made, including semantic points and points regarding personal anecdotes, which for obvious reasons can't be included in a conversation about society in general, but you've omitted your reply to my actual thesis, so for the sake of clarity I'll repeat it.

The fact that men commit 90% of sexual assault is a statistical red herring because when asking if men are dangerous we're not looking for their level of danger in comparison to women, we're looking for their absolute level of danger, in which case we need to compare them to the general populace. this is the same reason we don't consider the fact that "despite making up 13% of the population African Americans commit 50% of crimes in the US" a good enough reason to avoid black people. I don't care if blacks commit more crime than white people, I just care what the likelihood is that a random black person I meet on the street is a criminal, so the statistic we want to look at is (number of black people with criminal records) ÷ (number of black people in the US). similarly, when asking how dangerous men are in our society, the statistics we are looking for is (number of men convicted of sexual assault) ÷ (number of men in the US)

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minty-coralRad Fem Female · Dec. 21, 2020, 1:27 a.m.

because it doesn't matter who does it more, it matters what percentage of men commit sexual assault

Let me stop you right there: of course it matters who does it more. That's what pattern recognition is all about, and patterns tell us very important things about groups of people. You are trying to minimize or obfuscate universal male depravity and violence against women by reducing it to only within group statistics, rather than also between group statistics.

DrippingWetPeach · Dec. 20, 2020, 11:30 p.m.

I think pink pillers believe it's biology.

I'm personally not sure though.

minty-coralRad Fem Female · Dec. 21, 2020, 1:29 a.m.

I think Pink Pill is focused on the biology side of things, but it doesn't outright claim that everything men do against women is biological.