White and non-black women who date black men are complicit in black men’s white supremacy and hatred towards Black women.

Submitted June 15, 2020, 2:10 a.m. by Datingispointless

I posted this to Gender Critical, but of course they removed my post. The reality is that MANY white and non-black women want to keep and enjoy the privilege that not being a Black woman gives them, the same way black men want to keep and enjoy the privilege that not being a Black woman gives them. I hope people here understand.

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I said this in another thread and was attacked racially and downvoted without reason.

If you disagree with my logic then at least have the decency to state why.

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We were asked what white women could do to help feminists women of color. My answer is below.

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The number one thing non-black feminists can do for Black women is NOT date Black men.

99% (if not more) of black males who date interracially HATE Black women. And so do the white and non-black women that they date, lots of the time.

If you care about the Black race, understand that there are more elegible Black women than men due to prison, deaths, etc. When you as a white or non-black woman even talk to a black man you are spitting into the face of all Black women. You can not call us sisters if you do this.

It is perfectly fine for Black women (both straight and gay) to date and marry outside of the race because the numbers simply aren’t there as far as black men (and gay Black women). And BW who date out don’t do it out of hate for anyone, but out of love. On the other hand, there is literally no reason for black men to date out when there is a surplus of black women to choose from. If you as a white woman date a black man you are turning your back on your Black feminist sisters. You are co-signing the black man’s ideals of white supremacy.

Edit: Those if you who downvote me without refuting anything I’ve said are just upset that I’m telling the truth. Black males who date interracially hate Black women for existing, so if you as a woman decide to be with them you are actively attempting to hurt Black women.

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At this point I was racially mocked at this sub by another woman (using language like ho* and get a man, Pickmeisha, etc.)

I explained to her that I am a lesbian with no interest in being involved with men:

I’m literally a lesbian so “getting a man” is the last thing on my mind. Sounds like you’re the actual Pickmeisha. I’m just telling the truth. Black men who date interracially are the biggest supporters of white supremacy I’ve ever seen, and I’m not the only person who has noticed this. If a non-black woman is with a black man it can be safely assumed that she listens to him talk shit about Black women, all with a smile on her face.

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Then I received a reply from a different woman, telling me that it’s wrong to force black men to date black women. She COMPLETELY glossed over what I said about these black men being white supremacists, so obviously she (as a so called feminist) is not allied with Black women and prioritizes racist black men who hate us.

My response to her:

Right, but the fact remains that most black men who date interracially believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. So if you’re a woman who dates one of these men you are literally playing into white supremacy and stabbing black women in the back. You can’t have it both ways. Either you’re for Black women or you’re against us. And being with a black man as a non-black woman means you have publicly and boldly taken a stance against us. You aren’t fooling anyone. Literally EVERYONE knows that black men who date interracially are white supremacists. I’ve had white female friends who won’t date black men for this very reason, because they don’t want to betray Black women. I don’t give a damn about any excuses you make. Reality is reality.

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STOP trying to gaslight Black women. We know the reality and we know that black men who date you hate us, talk shit about us, and that you sit back and listen with smiles on your faces.

Want proof?

Just go to Twitter.

Type in “misogynoir” or “this you” or look up the twitter account @misogynoirs.

What these black men do to us is disgusting and you sit back and allow them to say it in front of you because you enjoy white (and non-black) privilege. Time is fucking up.

And keep in mind, none of this is to Black men who stay within the race, or non-black women who don’t date them. I have nothing but respect for those two groups.

But we do have to realize that even outside the real of racial dating, people seem to get a social “credit” for not being a Black woman.

Just as black men never care about the misogyny Black women face, white and non-black women never care about the specific racism (misogynoir) Black women face. You just sit back and enjoy the benefits and privileges NOT being a Black woman affords you.

You can ignore this or remove this or whatever, but in reality you’re just kicking the can down the road. Black men and white women will be held accountable for what you’ve done to Black women. In many ways you are as cruel as white men, in some ways much worse.

Now let the gaslighting commence.

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That concludes the message that I posted on GC. I believe many white rad fems are just as racist as white lib fems. I did not say all, just many.

What are your thoughts?

23 comments recovered from the Pushshift database.
georgehamiltan · June 15, 2020, 6:20 a.m. · 2 replies

Hi. White feminist here - apparently radical though I think that’s a shitty term - it’s hardly radical to believe in gender. Anyhoo :)

I actually get what you’re saying. I have an extremely westernised Asian friend with a white girlfriend and have heard him putting down Asian men, laughing at their poor English and mocking the way they walk etc. He uses words like ‘them’ that indicates he sees himself more as white than Asian. And he definitely thinks white people are superior and has given me examples of why. He’s very, very good looking and smart and fun.

So I can translate that and understand that it happens in the Black community too. I 100% see what you’re saying and I would never want to date a guy like that. I guess people would argue ‘love is love’ and blah blah etc. And we’ve had this whole societal shift to being open to interracial relationships as a symbol of the end of racism. Is it not - in spite of the reality I recognise in your remarks - a step backward to say no to interracial dating?

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 6:27 a.m. · 2 replies

Yes, the whole “love is love” thing is a cover up. Usually interracial romances are fine, but some of them really are insidious. There is simply no justification for a black male to ever date out of the race. There are far more black women than black men. So it’s logically that some black women would date out.

The best thing a white/non-black woman can do for Black women is reject and stay away from black males. Don’t play into their white supremacy.

georgehamiltan · June 15, 2020, 6:32 a.m.

I completely understand. Personally I date ugly white guys exclusively so there’s no probs here.

big_agua · June 15, 2020, 10:55 a.m. · 1 reply

So... there are lots more Asian men than Asian women so we should have black women date the leftover Asian men

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 11:30 a.m. · 1 reply

It isn’t about dating, sis.

It’s about realizing that white women who date black men are complicit in their misogynoir.

big_agua · June 15, 2020, 11:33 a.m. · 1 reply

Okay, I understand now. Thank you for your wisdom. I’m curious, does this just apply to black men or should we stop dating native Americans / Latinos/other oppressed classes

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 11:51 a.m. · 1 reply

I’m sorry, but I don’t have the time or patience to walk adults through simple concepts.

Did you bother reading the OP in its entirety?

If you did, why would you ask me such a question when the things I’ve mentioned apply to black males and not necessarily other males?

Sorry, I simply don’t have time to teach you. You’re an adult woman. Please use basic logic and common sense.

I’m really not trying to pick on you, but it disheartens me that so many Black women go out of their way to not use basic logic.

Ask yourself why other women see and understand exactly why I’m saying and why it applies to Black men rather than other men who date interracially.

That’s all I can give you. I’m tired of wasting time teaching Black women their ABCs when I’m trying to do advanced algebra. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 6:32 a.m. · 1 reply

I can’t get over the fact that you basically asked if it would be a “step backwards” to support Black women against our black male oppressors.

Why do you want to date men who hate Black women?

Literally WHAT THE FUCK?????????

Marjka · June 15, 2020, 9:37 a.m. · 1 reply

No, stop trying to guilt trip her. You told her to not black men, in general, even if the man doesn’t hate black women. She hasn’t said she’s going to date the ones who date black women.

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 11:32 a.m.

I literally don’t care about you or whatever it is you have to say. I don’t care if you’re white, black, or any other race. You are complicit in misogynoir since you support black men dating interracially. I have nothing else to say to you besides you are going to pay for what you’ve done to Black women.

FINNitilicolonised for 700+ years, 60 years of separatist battle, pasty · June 15, 2020, 7:56 a.m.

many white rad fems are just as racist as white lib fems.

Yes, absolutely!

Also this race debate is getting off rails. We need better analysis. We need more level-headed people. We need more history lessons.

Repulsive_Broccoli · June 15, 2020, 8:38 a.m. · 1 reply

So your answer to black men hating black women and their own blackness is to force them into dating black women? Yeah that's a no from me. Do i think non-black women should avoid black men who constantly trash black women? Yeah because often times they don't view women who aren't black in healthy ways either. I'd give the same advice to a BW dating interracially or any woman dating a man. If he goes out of his way to be hateful towards any group of women it's best to avoid him rather than be drawn into their bs through flattery.

Personally I don't want women saving BM for BW. Considering the rates of violence against us i wish BM would just leave us the hell alone. I know that's not a sentiment most BW agree with but it's something I feel pretty strongly about.

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 11:36 a.m.

No. This is not about forcing black men to date Black women.

I think it’s really sick that there are more white women than Black women who see my point....

At this point I’m convinced that many Black women are mentally deficient, mentally ill, brainwashed, and enjoy being abused. It’s like the concept of logic doesn’t even enter your mind. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Sorry, but I don’t have the time or patience to explain basic concepts to adults.

margiejamison · June 15, 2020, 8:53 a.m. · 1 reply

I agree that no one should be dating black-woman-hating black men, but for me that includes black women. Those men should all die alone and without progeny.

Marjka · June 15, 2020, 9:01 a.m. · 1 reply

But OP said whites women shouldn’t date black men in general. Regardless of the men’s attitude towards black women.

margiejamison · June 15, 2020, 9:14 a.m.

I’m not sure I would go that far but I can see where she is coming from. For one thing, many white women with black male partners parade half-black children around as self-made “I’m not a racist” tokens that they claim prove they have as much insight into racism as black women.

Like, when your anti-racism is white supremacist (ie, white people’s and biracial people’s contributions mean more than black people’s), it’s hard to see many white women in relationships with black men as anything other than a hindrance to if not outright sabotage of pro-black activism.

Marjka · June 15, 2020, 9:25 a.m. · 1 reply

Your solution to higher rates of singlehood among black women(which is a real problem worth discussing) is to strategize with white women to essentially force black men into relationships with black women? Like we can work on issues that created the problem in the first place, like mass incarceration, police brutality, lack of education, poverty, racism and dismantling European beauty standards but nooooo. Listen, If the trash wants to take itself out, let it. It’s actually a win for black women. Better to be single than be with a man who is only with you because the women he wanted wouldn’t have him.

This is so embarrassing. It almost sounds like it was written by some white incel who is convinced the reason for his virginity is the Tyrones taking all the Stacies. Seriously, delete this.

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 11:33 a.m. · 1 reply

It’s really, really sad that you think this is about dating and singlehood rates. Says a lot about the state of mind of women like you.

Marjka · June 15, 2020, 1:47 p.m.

I really tried to engage with you since that’s what you asked people to do. But obviously that’s pointless. So, let me just tell you what I think of you. I think you’re sadly involuntarily celibate. I am sorry whoever hurt you and convinced you that you weren’t good enough, to the point you had to get on internet and beg white women to let you have some of their scraps.

And the black women you pretended to care about. But here’s what you say about them:

Listen at this bitch: https://mobile.twitter.com/amnamxlik/status/1272549020771258368
First of all, she’s out there looking like a FULL coon. Dark skinned, ugly, nappy hair, looks masculine. I know you don’t like it, but it’s the truth

Even white supremacist are not this cruel. Your low-self esteem is the most severe I have seen. Really, I pity you. Get some help.

Mods: why are you hosting someone who talks like this about black women?

throwaway4reasons333 · June 15, 2020, 11:16 a.m. · 1 reply

I was literally gonna make a post asking about this. When I was younger, I dated a black guy and my mom told me that I was being shitty to black women by doing so, which was something I didn’t realize at the time.

Datingispointless · June 15, 2020, 11:31 a.m.

Bless your mom for being aware and telling you this from an early age.

naxiaiMod · June 15, 2020, 2:07 p.m.

This thread is being locked since civil discussion is not happening and the OP is resorting to name-calling others and making sweeping generalizations. We do not tolerate members of this community being called slurs, even when the ones doing the name-calling are women themselves. Keep it civil, everyone.