GC: How do you feel about (male) gay porn?

Submitted June 28, 2020, 3:37 p.m. by newthrowawaypopcorn

I often see radfems saying they're against porn because it perpetuates violence against women, but what about gay porn (considering there are no women involved)?

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seraph_sans_serif · June 28, 2020, 3:58 p.m. · 1 reply

Gay porn is not directly a feminist issue, but I'm still not a fan. I don't know enough to judge whether gay porn eroticizes sexual humiliation and violence as frequently as straight porn does, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that at least some of the actors in gay porn are men trapped at rock bottom and being exploited.

octopushotdog · June 29, 2020, 4:51 p.m.

Even in gay porn there is still a broad category and demand for coerced sex, whether it's first time anal, or tricking or convincing "straight" guys to have gay sex. I'm not a gay man so I can't speak to that issue from that perspective but this is what I have learned from a close gay male friend who is also anti porn.

PM_BIG_CUPCAKES · June 28, 2020, 4:20 p.m. · 1 reply

It's very harmful and exploitative. There's so much violent gay porn featuring anal prolapse and the like. I'm against all porn.

MayIhaveAUsernamePlz · June 28, 2020, 5:22 p.m.

Oh my god that sounds so awful....

jackrusselterror1 · June 28, 2020, 4:59 p.m.

I think it’s exploitative and not a good thing, even though it isn’t a feminist issue.

Off the top of my head, here’s a few issues:

Money isn’t a substitute for consent. Safe sex standards aren’t followed. Anal sex can do damage even accounting for proper prep- you cannot convince me that jackhammering feels any better for men to receive, and usually anal on porn is not gentle. If you don’t follow everything the director wants, they will withhold pay, so that’s coercion and boundary crushing right there- even if I believed consent could be bought, the porn studios violated their end of the agreement by not paying. Human trafficking and porn being connected. Pornhub keeps child rape videos up- how can you be positive that you aren’t watching filmed rape?

Gay for pay- male porn stars performing gay sex scenes get paid better than for straight scenes. I’d like to assume that any man who does a gay for pay scene is somewhat interested in men, but desperation for money makes people do things they otherwise wouldn’t.

LovelyMareCrazy horse lady · June 28, 2020, 4:59 p.m.

I'm against any type of porn.

censorshipmentBlack Lesbian · June 28, 2020, 5:11 p.m.

Exploitation.

A cast member of MTV's The Real World: Las Vegas (2011) was exposed for doing gay porn during college. Here he is "twerking" in an old video on Fratpad (uploaded on YouTube)

No one should exploit themselves / be exploited for money.

ICanMakeAnyHetroGay · June 28, 2020, 5:17 p.m. · 1 reply

I quite like it, I just think that porn that features women is bad

calming-tea · June 28, 2020, 7:04 p.m. · 1 reply

I really don't understand this position. Why do you think porn featuring women is ok but not featuring only men? What about lesbian porn? What about lesbian porn done for lesbian audience?

ChrystalMine · June 28, 2020, 8:23 p.m. · 1 reply

Lesbian porn is made for male audience. Those videos are the fakest of them all.

calming-tea · June 29, 2020, 4:31 a.m.

Being 'fake' does not necessarily means degrading

Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord · June 28, 2020, 5:18 p.m.

Porn doesn't become less exploitative just because men, and not women, star in it.

BenderRodriguez9Kill All Humans · June 28, 2020, 5:33 p.m. · 2 replies

The gay porn industry can also be very exploitative, as lots of gay male porn stars have committed suicide, have become addicted to drugs to cope with being in the industry, etc. It's also worth noting that since gay porn producers also usually produce straight porn, so ta lot of the money that goes into making gay porn inevitably winds up funding straight porn too. So even if gay porn in and of itself was exploitation-free, it's being used to help fund exploitation of women.

That being said, as a gay male GC myself, the way some GC people can talk about gay male porn itself often relies on homophobic stereotypes. On many occasions I've seen comments like "Gay male porn is misogynistic because bottoms in gay porn are just stand ins for women", which 1) relies on the same heteronormative logic conservatives use when they ask "Which one of you is the woman in the relationship?" and 2) implies that only bottom performers are exploited, when any of the men involved can be exploited (several of the suicides I referenced above were of men who typically performed as "tops" for instance).

Although I no longer have a need for porn, in the interest of being completely transparent, I have throughout my life, and especially when I was growing up, watched my fair share of gay porn. One thing that doesn't often get addressed is how for gay men of my age (I'm late 20s) gay porn was, for better or worse, the only "representation" of gay men we had access too. When I was an early teen, the internet was still in it's infancy, there were hardly and gay people on TV (when Will and Grace came on I was very excited), there wasn't YouTube to watch videos of gay people, I didn't know any other gay people, etc. The only place I could find gay men being gay was, in porn, and that is where I went for "representation". I'm not saying it's a good thing, and luckily that is not the case any more for gay kids nowadays, as the media is saturated with LGBT celebrities and storylines in TV and movies), but that was the reality, nevertheless.

Another interesting thing is that gay porn overall seems to be a lot less violent and brutal than straight porn. Out of curiosity I have on occasion looked up straight porn to see what it was like. Immediately you get bombarded with videos of women being choked, gagged, slapped. Videos of women screaming and crying and just very obviously not wanting to be there, at all. Gay porn on the other hand, for the most part, really does depict all parties involved as genuinely enjoying themselves, and typically all parties 'get off". I'm aware this could of course all just be an act for the camera, but regardless, the depiction of sex itself is much less toxic than in straight porn, and is probably one of the reasons why straight women dealing with male sexual partners seem like they have to put up with lousy and degrading sex much more often than it seems like gay men have to.

I don't want anyone to misconstrue what I'm saying here as a "defence" of porn or the porn industry. As I mentioned above it's still overall very exploitative and linked directly to the exploitation of female porn performers, but there is still a lot of nuance to be had here when discussing it that I rarely see in GC spaces.

SqueakyBall · June 28, 2020, 6:39 p.m.

Another interesting thing is that gay porn overall seems to be a lot less violent and brutal than straight porn.

Very interesting. I've seen a little gay porn but not in a long time and not enough to have picked up on that. It's both heart-warming re gay men and upsetting re straight men.

calming-tea · June 28, 2020, 7:02 p.m. · 1 reply

Another interesting thing is that gay porn overall seems to be a lot less violent and brutal than straight porn

You sure about that? I have been on a porn site like twice in my life so i will trust whatever you say

But when people talk about it, it seems there seems to be a normal fixation on gaping and insertion of very large objects...which is not the best (and can cause serious issues, e.g. prolapse, yes there is porn for that - as far as people commenting on reddit say, i will leave it to someone else to fact check those statements).

It is true that those kinks exist for both sexes, so i am quire unsure on which one is 'worse'. I do definitely think het porn is more sexist and mentally degrading tho.

BenderRodriguez9Kill All Humans · June 28, 2020, 7:07 p.m. · 1 reply

That kind of porn definitely exists, I just don't think it's "standard" though in the same way that beating and choking women is "standard" in straight porn. Most gay guys aren't interested in seeing giant prolapsed anuses. I feel like if someone were to just type in "gay porn" into Google and see what comes up, the majority of results will just be of "normal" sex, and you have to go looking for the kinds of things you mentioned, whereas with straight porn the violent stuff is amongst the very first results you get.

Now I could be wrong, and maybe things have changed drastically recently, I don't really have any statistics and am just speaking from personal experience and from knowing lots of other gay men.

octopushotdog · June 29, 2020, 4:49 p.m.

From a cursory glance it does seem that there is a difference between gay porn and straight porn in that the straight porn is very focused on degradation and humiliation or non consensual encounters, especially with very very young women and girls.

Gay porn seems much more vanilla in comparison though there is still a high demand for the fetish of coercing "straight" men and boys into gay sex, first time painful anal sex, focuses on extreme age and size differences, and so on. But it does not appear that gay rape porn and similar violence is as prevalent or desired.

I am against all porn personally and I am not an expert in gay porn, nor do I want to speak for gay men, but this seems to be an accurate impression.

jupiterssunday · June 28, 2020, 5:42 p.m.

Porn is bad. Doesn’t matter who’s in it.

Sorceress35 · June 28, 2020, 6:38 p.m.

It's bad too just not as overt as straight porn.

Retired gay porn stars have a high suicide rate.

theblackfleet · June 28, 2020, 7:01 p.m.

It's not that there are no women involved in gay porn, it's that there's the idea of submissive and dominant and that IS gender roles aka sex role stereotypes. In fact, gay porn was the precursor to all other forms of porn, and we see the same theme repeated over and over again

noproblemclub · June 28, 2020, 7:07 p.m.

I’m not in any way knowledgeable enough about gay porn and it’s impact on gay men to have an opinion on it really, I would leave that to gay men to decide, I see it as a separate issue even if I believe porn in itself is exploitative, it’s not really my place to comment on

the_lonliest_shibe · June 28, 2020, 7:13 p.m.

Many of the issues that I have with straight porn are the same with gay porn. The main issues are unrealistic expectations for men (2hr natural erections, endless stamina, buckets of ejaculation etc) and objectification/violence.

There's also the fact that it's mostly centered around anal. Not all gay men like or want anal and it must feel very alienating to have that expectation pushed in your face at all times. I imagine that if you are a gay man who hates anal (giving and receiving) it must be a very weird world to live in. I do think that is partly why there is a chemsex scene - young gay guys assume anal is expected and if you dislike it getting high takes the edge off. Even if you like it, it's a VERY personal thing so to jump straight to that on your first sexual encounter with a new person requires a certain level of switching off (eg getting high).

It's very similar to straight porn being very focused on blow jobs. Not all straight women want to do that, not all straight men enjoy recieving that.

lisasimpsonfanDoesn't Play Nice · June 28, 2020, 7:30 p.m.

Answered this here before but I hate porn of all types. Those young men in porn are being exploited, boundaries are being ignored, and being drugged just like young women. Porn is a nasty business that makes old rich white men richer and destroys young lives.

worried19 · June 29, 2020, 12:25 a.m.

I've never seen it. I assume it's problematic just like straight porn. Just because women aren't being abused, it doesn't make it right for violence and exploitation to happen to men. And that type of material still sexualizes unhealthy dynamics.

thrwpllw · June 29, 2020, 4:03 a.m.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Gynoid_being · June 29, 2020, 6:54 a.m.

I`m against it, partiently because of yaoi and slash tumor turning fandoms with women into a misogynistic cancer. I have seen a lot of lesbians more obsessed with imaginary men sex than invested into real women. A lot of women in these communities hate "typical b*mbos, sl*ts", have an extreme case of "not like other girls syndrome" and try to pretend they are a "male" in a relationship when they are both female and lesbian.

If I would ever start dating a woman like this by chance I will consider only two options: try to find her a therapist or explain that I can`t be with a person who loves fantasies more than a real partner and proceed to breaking up with her.

Obviously, I can`t dictate anyone what to do and how to behave, however, this yaoi related obsession and women in it are so intoxicating that I feel the need to speak out about this.

Silver-Slippers · June 29, 2020, 10:06 a.m.

Exploitation is wrong regardless of whether the victim is female or male. Just because this sub focuses on violence against women doesn't mean that we think violence against men is okay.

Adept-Wave · June 29, 2020, 11:09 a.m.

I’m down with any and all porn that is consensually, ethically made. This generally means paying for it and seeking out stuff with female producers/directors.

I know a lot of straight, feminist women who like gay male porn. The camera focuses on the eroticism of the male body instead of just zooming in on the woman, the men moan and seem to actually enjoy it instead of just pistoning away, and the affection/pleasure seems much more real and tender than in much straight porn.