Can we please not forget that TIFs are also actively trying to take away terminology for female anatomy?
FEMALE ERASURE Submitted June 28, 2020, 8:17 p.m. by mysupercoolsecretaltTIFs are the ones who have been pushing for women to be labeled as “uterus havers”, “pregnant person/people”, “menstraters/period havers” “person with vagina” and “boob havers”, and TIFs were also the ones who got the female symbol to be taken away on that brand of Always, and are wanting pads and tampon packaging to be more gender neutral colors. The demeaning terms pushed on female anatomy and bodily functions are also coming from TIFs, with which the TIMs latch onto and use as well. After all, if TIMs want to push the trans women are women, then they have to say trans men are men, and the TIMs have to go along with the terminology TIFs want, so they aren’t invalidated.
Trust me, I’m not a fan of TIMs, but I can guarantee with all their gender stereotypes and caricature role playing as women, they were probably more than happy to see a female symbol or feminine colors on the packaging for menstrual products, because it probably validated their weird period fetish and make them think “I really am a woman uwu!” And if there is a hell on earth, and uterus transplants can happen to TIMs, you can bet they’ll immediately lash out at being called a “uterus haver” or “pregnant person”. Because that would invalidate their existence, since even they realize pregnancy is something only women can go through.
While the majority of TIMs don’t give a shit about the struggles women go through, TIFs aren’t exactly women’s allies either. Generally they’ve been more quiet than TIMs, but that’s been changing. While everyone was up in arms because of JK Rowling’s tweets, thinking they were automatically against trans women, her tweets were also directed at TIFs. Because TIFs want to pretend that men can have periods, get pregnant and have kids. TIFs are trying to deny the biological reality that only women/females can gestate and give birth to human babies, because of their own dysphoria and hatred for their bodies.
Trust me, being a woman can seriously suck. I can’t think of one woman who’s ecstatic about their bodies and the periods, pregnancy aspect, and the sexism, misogyny, and sexualization we go through. And while TIMs definitely do all they can to try to convince everyone they are no different from women, TIFs are doing all they can to distance themselves from biological reality, and trying to push the derogatory terms against women’s bodies and reproductive organs.
Sorry I rambled, but I just wanted to remind women here that TIMs aren’t necessarily the ones that are pushing for these demeaning terms about female biology. TIFs are just as culpable of it, and are usually the ones who push for these terms first, and TIMs have to go with it, because of trans ideology, and going against it would face serious backlash from the cult.
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I do not doubt for a second that many TIFs hate being a female to such an extent that they are willing to throw other females under the bus.
Chase Stranger is one of those.
I wonder if she is truly happy to present as a 2nd rate copy of a man.
She does not look nor sound like a man.
And from what I’ve seen, men simply tolerate TIFs. As soon as a TIF starts demanding things from men that men get offended by, the men push back. Same from TIMs. Hence why men aren’t called “penis havers”, “ejaculators”, or “sperm makers”.
Seriously, if women can be demeaned with being called dehumanizing terms related to anatomy and reproductive quality, then why shouldn’t men?
Additionally, men have the advantage of being taller and stronger.
They could overpower a TIF in a second and fend off most TIMs.
Hence why men are not concerned with either. It really pisses me off the amount of men, including my dad (who’s pretty conservative) just shrug their shoulders when I tell them of the sexual predators using the trans label as a shield. They don’t give a shit because they aren’t the intended victims, and obviously a man who claims to be a woman is obviously a weak/failed man who can’t possibly be a threat to anyone, and a TIF is no threat to them because they aren’t biological men, so who cares?
BLM was founded by three women who were variations of ‘queer’. They centered trans from the start so it wasn’t a ‘takeover’. And most black folk find BLM a useful tool but don’t support their beliefs about trans AT ALL.
Oh definitely. You've got a great tool against the trans movement if you can make men feel threatened/offended by TiF.
Behind every terrible TIM is a TIF cosigning their bullshit. I'm so over it. Some Rad Fems will talk endlessly about not respecting pronouns of creepy TIMs and then trip all over themselves to tip toe around the feelings of TIFs. Keep the same energy ladies.
Please don’t blame women for men’s horrible behavior. TIMs rape, beat and threaten women, TIFs are not responsible for that shit.
they condone it though
TIFs do NOT condone rape or beating women. Wtf?
ok maybe i phrased it wrong i just mean that most of them stay silent and silence is siding with the oppressor, a lot are handmaidens who enable them in a way
It goes both ways. TWAW and TMAM need each other to validate their own beliefs, thanks to trans ideology. If TIMs try to start shit with TIFs, there will be a huge outcry and a bunch of scrutiny on them, which they absolutely don’t want. Same for TIFs trying to start shit with TIMs. And this is why both are trying to deny biology and muddle the distinction between males and females. If women can have vaginas and dicks, then men can have dicks and vaginas, and women can get women pregnant and men can get men pregnant.
You haven't met the ones I have on Twitter then.
Why are we blaming women for men's behavior?
Unfortunately TIFs behavior isn’t non threatening either. I rebuffed advances from a TIF, and they basically told me that I needed to get over my genital preferences, and they had plenty of strap ons that would rival any man’s dick.
Ewww, that sounds really rapey. Sorry that happened to you.
Thank you. It was very uncomfortable, mainly because I was a trans ally then, but I’m a bisexual who wants men and women women with natural parts. I never thought I would get called out for that, but here we are.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a healthy partner and only being comfortable around people who can respect boundaries. I'm still sad you had to learn the hard way, but better than to let something even worse happen. You might have been lucky to just have been called out instead of have your person damaged.
So a lesbian coming onto a straight woman? Woah here's something I haven't seen yet
this.
Same. Trust me, I have no sympathy for TIMs, but TIFs can be just as misogynistic to women, maybe even more so than TIMs, because where TIMs want so badly to claim female terms for themselves, TIFs are the ones pushing for those terms to be renamed because they can’t stand their own biology.
Exactly. I think they're all assholes, tifs are just slightly quieter assholes
I still can't understand how so many TIFs are okay with getting pregnant/giving birth, but throw a fit if you call them women/female. How can words be more triggering than the actual biological processes?
and then they want their child to call them dad poor kids who have trans parents i can’t imagine the trauma they go through watch them be on puberty blockers and have their healthy bodies mutilated for liking a colour associated with the opposite sex 🤦🏽♀️
Makes me so angry knowing CPS exists precisely for abuse like this, yet do nothing.
Oh, it's worse than doing nothing. CPS views parents who refuse to allow their minor children to be put on blockers, get cross sex hormones, and say no to massive plastic surgery AS THE ABUSERS.
It doesn't increase risk of cancer AFAIK. It decreases with your cognitive function and spinal health.
Hi! I have a trans mom(ftm) who started is transition when I was like 9. IT IS NOT ABUSE! I have a normal childhood and no my parents have not put my or my younger sister on blockers. No one but people here apparently want to face discrimination! Where is body mutilation? I’m a woman all was have been my mom is a man how was once a woman. Who traded sexism for transphobia. Fair trade? I love my parents don’t waste time. Sorry posting from phone.
your mother is a woman. There's no surgery that changes a woman into a man. wanting to be a man doesn't make her a man either.
Thank you for your few on this why? I love to learn more from your perspective! That’s why I here!
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I’ve never understood this either. You think that would cause the most extreme dysphoria for them. Like that TIF in the UK who got pregnant then wanted to be labeled as the father on the birth certificate. Like wtf!? (Thankfully that got denied). It makes me wonder how they classified their child’s gender when it was born? “Oh, it’s been observed a female, but clearly this baby is male and my son!”
To me, this totally gives away the lie that they all have life threatening "dysphoria". Pregnancy would be so terrifying and alien that TIFs would instead be fighting politically for free abortion on demand, as a "gender affirming, life saving" medical necessity. The goal just seems to be erasing biology and "queering the boundaries" of biological sex.
Yes, you'd think pregnancy is the ultimate dysphoria as it is a female only experience. But no, that's okay somehow but the pink pad pack is evil.
Who even has enough time on their hands to think about their pad package? I hate pink and violet but my life doesn't revolve around getting rid of those colors.
It's not. But if women are willing to do it, why do you think trans men wouldn't be?
Hmmm. Let me put the dots closer together for you.
If my husband (Assigned Dude At Birth) discovered he was pregnant, he would be panic stricken and terrified at the prospect that he was probed by aliens.
If a trans man (who according to TRAs are just as much of a man as he is) got pregnant in order to have children, that pretty much makes us doubt the existence of their claims of dysphoria.
They’re not actually dysphoric, they just hate how society treats them. They know they can be pregnant for 9 months and then go back to being “men”, with all its benefits.
I legitimately feel awful for every child with a trans parent.
They don't stand a chance against the Trans cult.
My best guess: They don't hate being female, they hate how society perceives women. They hate the misogyny, yet aren't allowed to call it out for what it is, so they internalize it and think they need to be a man to challenge the patriarchy.
You're right and it's so damn sad
I know it's not a real-life example, but what you said reminded me of a character called Naoto from the game Persona 4. This is exactly what she does, and guess what? There was a huge controversy over people saying she was trans and ignoring the fact that the game outright says she's a woman and that she was just pretending to be a guy so she could get taken more seriously.
It's what they do with a lot of cross dressing women in history. From Joan of Arc to Mulan to that one female viking archeologists found. It's pretty awful and sad.
This was more how my experience was. Eventually I learned to hate my own body, but I hated how my body was looked at by others first.
I read about this FtM who had sex and got pregnant. She didn't want the baby because 1. She didn't want kids and 2. It would trigger her dysphoria. Interesting how her dysphoria was completely fine when she was enjoying herself, and having sex with a completely unchanged vagina. Isn't it funny how they can switch it on and off...
They are okay with it, because that's how they get attention and approval from men (TIMs).
As a mom, I can say that I wish I were a dad . All is have to do is sit around watching TV, farting , eating and take the kud to the park sometimes ... Then how as I receive my medal for not majorly screwing up or running off.
Jk of course ..but ..
In all seriousness, though I think that trans people should absolutely not be around kids- not because I think they'd abuse them, but it's incredibly confusing for children and the poor kids will end up "coming out as trans" by age 2 more than likely just because the boys picked up a baby doll or the girls picked up a toy car that one time ... Like. This is the wrong message! Those kids are gona start mutilating their bodies and messing with their hormones as soon as they can. They won't grow up feeling any type of comfortable. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm not being transphobic, but these people are mentally unwell. Q
Secondly , it is s mother which gives birth- a woman, something men cannot do.
Some are actually into "mpreg" fetish and want to live out that in real life.. I'm not making this up, seen a lot of TIFs talking about it
This. Recently saw a tweet from some org that called it 'chestfeeding' instead of 'breastfeeding' cause apparently that's less triggering. Like feeding a child from your boob is not somehow? How are words more triggering than having a baby and feeding it?
I will never understand it. Even just having a period is such a strong reminder that you are female.
I understand your main point and agree. I don't see how packaging of hygiene products have to do with anything. If anything, having more gender neutral colours kind of removes the "pink is for girls" thing. I always found it to be a bit sexist, the pink and flowers on the packaging.
Same, but I remember even as a teenager (I’m now in my 30s) , there were plenty of brands of hygiene products that didn’t even have pink packaging or female symbols, but were just different colors on the boxes (like black), including individual tampon wrappers (easier to disguise it from males who might see it). But because one company decided to brand their products with a female symbol, its suddenly a crime against humanity.
The overwhelming majority of products marketed to women have a "feminine" looking appearance. Whether it's pads, razors, even shoes. Look at the wall of running shoes next time you are at footlocker or that sports store, see how many don't have pastel colours on them. (Note: I have no problem with the female symbol on a product meant for females as that's not sexist).
I’m not saying there aren’t products marketed solely to women and have “feminine” packaging. Just there are plenty of menstrual products that aren’t pink or otherwise feminine, and this is solely so men won’t immediately view them as menstrual products (because women are taught to hide their periods). Trust me, I hate that women’s razors, deodorants, hair products, literally any hygiene product is always different from men’s and always more expensive, cause to be a woman means we need more expensive products (because that’s all women do, is spend money teehee). And I’m a woman who uses men’s razors, deodorants, and soap, solely because they are cheaper, and I don’t give a shit about the packaging or colors they come with, as long as they work and keep me shaved and clean smelling.
That's cool that you buy mens stuff. I do too. Many women though are conditioned to thinking that the women's versions are for them. This conditioning happens at an early age, boys=blue, girls=pink. A company removing the pink flowery stuff is not a bad thing. It is destroying a gender stereotype.
I agree. But it shouldn’t be TIFs or TIMs pushing this. It should be women and men. And we should be pushing hard against the stereotype that women only want a certain product because it’s pink or pushed towards women (like there’s a pepper spray that’s 2x as expensive for women because the canister only comes in pink). Fuck that. No color belongs exclusively for women or men, and no item is inherently masculine or feminine. And plenty of instances have had men or women defying traditional gender roles. When men go off to war, jobs, hunting. or otherwise have to leave their homes, women have had to step up and perform those roles in the men’s absence. Same for when men suddenly find themselves without women, they have to step up and perform the traditional women’s roles. It doesn’t make someone less a woman or male. It’s called survival. Only when they are trying to propagate the species, does gender become relevant.
I ... don't get it? Like are TIMs going to ask that condoms come with pink lace around the rim for their girldicks? Why is no one offended by masculine products, but make something feminine and suddenly people won't buy it? Oh. Right. _We know why._
Why do you want feminine colors on packaging? And sure, but they're usually more reasonable and want things to be degendered, just like us. They just go farther, and trans women go the other direction most times.
We give TIFs the benefit of the doubt because we know what it’s like to want to opt out of all the shitty parts of being a woman in the patriarchy. However, many of them are TRAs and are as dangerous as libfems and TIMs to our rights.
Oh the transmen I’ve known in my life have been fucking awful. They wayyyyy overcompensated by pretty much embodying the stereotypical macho asshole. They also have the advantage of easily passing once they’ve been on hormones for awhile. At my old job, I worked with a trans man and had I not been told by somebody who knew, I seriously would not have ever known. Total asshole too. Slept with like every woman and was very proudly sleeping with dudes girlfriends. It was wild.
same, i know one TIF and not only is she also a furry, she's the most crazed TRA i know irl
The first time I kind of "semi-peaked" was because of a TIF. A former professional athlete who "transitioned" around 15 years ago and was one of the first kind of famous trans people here in Germany.
After she'd had SRS and all the works, she went on the talk show circuit for a while and I watched her on one of those. I had been totally supportive of the general concept at the time.
I was taken aback by the sheer misogyny she exuded during that interview. It made me extremely uncomfortable. I just kept thinking "Hey, if you don't want to be a woman, and can change that for yourself, good for you.....but could you stop pretending that being a woman is the worst thing anyone can be?"
And she didn't sound like "being a woman was bad, because that's what got me sexual abuse" or anything like that. No. It was just sheer misogyny. Like women are less than and she's better now.
I wish women here would stop defend TIFs so much. They are essentially like libfem handmaidens with an extra dose of self-hate. (Probably not all of them, but many of them.)
Their extreme denial of themselves is really something to witness, isn't it? Transwomen think they make better women and transmen think they make better men. Fucking clown logic from all that juggling they do
I wondered how she'd be sleeping with every woman? She wouldn't have a dick?
I guess they must not have cared.
This is rare cases of transgender people getting a lot of sex because even with SRS it looks obvious that it isn't a real thing and heard it's a turnoff. Maybe the kind of people who'd work at yours are not a good representation of other places I know about.
I know a man who's got a fetish for TIFs.. he's going for that vagina but in else a "boyish" look... Idk about the people you're talking about though
I use to think I was a demiboy. When cosplaying I enjoyed dressing up as male characters. I'm not into a lot of stereotypically feminine things. The difference between me and TIFs is that I don't believe in trans ideology. No amount of wanting to be male makes me male. And I think that's what a lot of TIFs get confused about. Rejecting female gender roles is conflated with rejecting femaleness. They get so attached and brainwashed by the transcult that any vaguely gender critical criticism is seen as a personal attack on their psuedo feminism.
The female handmaidens are the saddest part of this all. I feel that they are betraying their own.
From the experience of friends IRL (bisexual women) they have had more than a few very bad experiences with transmen, and found they were more misogynistic than even guys they had dated.
I do think there's a lot of latching onto misogyny as a way to prove masculinity in that crowd.
Most of them are probably the r/notlikeothergirls type. They believe in sexist stereotypes and don’t feel comfortable living as that of a stereotypical woman. So they decide ”I’m not like them” because of internalized misogyny. I think it’s the same with “gender neutrals” - they think being a woman in this example means you’re a silly, stupid sexobject who only cares about sexy feminine attractiveness. And they’re not only trying to escape the societal pressure - they’re telling everyone that that is what it means and that’s why they aren’t one.... Or in TIM’s cases, that’s why they are one. Because they love it.
Transgender and gender neutrals are the most sexist and misogynistic people on this planet probably. It’s super regressive, bringing us back to the stoneage and a very dark future for women. They’re all, no matter if they claim to be female or male or neither, fighting against and not for liberation. They’re all against what it means to live as a free woman not an object belonging to men. They’re all completely fighting against feminism, against equality, against LGB while also disguised as our ally.
I used to feel like that. I was a “gamer girl” with mostly guys as friends, who hated the color pink or wearing skirts and dresses. Who loved memes and fantasy or science fiction. I only wore jeans and black hoodies and shirts. I used to say I was different, “free of drama” and not shallow, etc. I was fighting against the pressure I felt to be like that by telling myself I was better as someone with more of a “manly” personality. And as someone who had been bullied and was an outcast, I always stood on the side of any “victim.” But I’ve grown past that narrow sighted view of the world. I’m free now because I get to enjoy color in my wardrobe, or putting on lots of glitter - it’s not to conform. I’ve realized that pink is a lovely color and I was being judgemental thinking girls are silly for wearing that. And sometimes victims aren’t victims or sometimes they’re both victims and oppressors. I can’t wait for the rest of the world to find some clarity, or the future will look very dim. I don’t want to have daughters who grow up in a world where they’re told they’re men because their favorite color is blue just like my favorite color was.
I love this comment!
The most disrespectful treatment I’ve had from a service worker was from a young woman who identified as a man. She was a plumber, came to our house to investigate an issue, and then talked with my husband and me about her findings. She stared at him the whole time she was talking and didn’t acknowledge I was there. She quoted the price while still looking at my husband, who didn’t respond because I handle the issues like that around our house. I said, “Yes, go ahead with the work.” She clearly heard me, still did not look at me, but kept looking at my husband waiting for his response. He gestured to me as if to say, “She told you to go ahead,” but she wouldn’t move until he actually told her to get on with the job. Very bizarre experience; I have never had a male tradesman treat me so disrespectfully.
Oo why the hell would somebody care about his pad package color? It's normal for a transman to buy pad, but they are offended by the color? Or it is for trabswomen who doesn't need pad?
Who want to call women 'uterus havers'? Because some trans men still have an uterus, right?
So trans women want all for themselves (a loud minority, probably) and steal it from women, but also dismiss transmen in the process... Which is illogical.
I think the phrase I find funniest is "front hole havers". I'm guessing that one was coined by a person not very familiar with female anatomy. The only "front hole" I have is my bellybutton.
I would think the urethra is the front hole.
Bleeders is the one that makes my blood absolutely boil. I'm almost always against violence because I think it shows a lack of control and gives power to the other person, but if someone called me that I'd be hard pressed not to give them a solid smack.
Naturally, I tend to be more sympathetic to TIFs suffering dysphoria than TIMs, but that doesn't make me blind to their enthusiasm in tearing down women's rights. Whenever there is a pile on led by TIMs, they'll happily join them. They push for the erasure of our language and they hate women as much as TIMs do. They are happy collaborators, although they remain invisible in the media compared to TIMs, unless they give birth.
Too many are the new incarnation of "not like other girls".
It's very sad that women are buying into a misogynistic "ideology" which ignores not just biology, but the men who are pushing this insanity. I've even seen, from a Second Wave perspective, the entire "feminist" ideology warped, from what we were used to doing back then. But then, "popular feminism" has always been very shallow because there is no gender critical analysis involved.
It would benefit women to engage in fighting sex role stereotyping rather than trying to be imitation "men". This is where "Third Wave Feminism", pushed by neo-liberals, has failed women completely because it doesn't address the male oppression of women at all.
Why would women accept all the artificiality of "womanhood" as it is expressed today by so many women (and for the most part haven't noticed in how "transwomen" express themselves), and actually challenging what entertainers, advertising, and online "influencers" push as "feminist" and "empowering", such as buying up all the makeup, doing glam constantly, being confined to home and hearth, even when men are not, even temporarily or partially, and of course, "sex work" (prostitution is all about the satisfaction of men, even when other men perform it)--all of it accepted at face value and all w/o putting in the work of analyzing the sources of women's discontent with the restrictive women's roles we are offered, even in the 21st century?
TIF are women. They don't need to be feminist allies for me to want to liberate all women (and yes TIF's are included in "all women" obviously) from sex based oppression.
A person can label themselves; no one should be able to label another
But should they be able to label themselves as someone they are not, & take the identity of another group? It's not like they're making up new terms for themselves or sticking to being transgender. No, they want to relabeled themselves an identity that exists already & them redefine it, while relabeling others.
They want to steal or erase words which describe anything they don't have, but that cis women naturally do have, out of pure envy.
It is literally: "If I can't have a cervix / uterus / period, etc, then no one can."
Which really is weird, because in doing that, they also destroy the very protective false narrative they built in the first place to help ease their own dysphoria, with words like "lady-dick" and whatnot.
They're so furious that we have female attributes and they don't, because they know those things are symbols of womanhood. It's not enough to be trans. They know it's because gender dysphoria (and the subsequent envy that comes with it) wouldn't even exist if all that about "ladydicks" didn't affect anything.
Thus, no amount of comforting rhetoric about ladydicks reassures them enough to provide real contentment about their womanliness, and so the fight over words to describe biological women continues.
In all this bullshit about sex and gender and attempts to divide sex and gender, there's a very good reason they aren't calling themselves something like "female men". It's because about as reassuring to them as calling themselves transwomen. For many, to be a transwoman is to be suffering with dysphoria, and suffering in a situation which encompasses the very deep need to "pass" - the need for surgery, the need for hormones, the need to become as close to "cis" as possible. It detracts from the real intentention of embodying womanhood as much as cis women do.
The only way to look good in such a battle, is to try as hard as possible to make the opponent seem like the real enemy: the one who is trying to steal from you.
They've probably done more harm to us than TiMs have, at least on an ideological basis. You're 100% right that they basically set the stage for this baloney.
And while I feel for the detransitioners, I can't help but view them as returning mutineers. They'll always be female/women to me, not as a sign of respect, but because claiming otherwise would be untrue. I believe our main fight is with the liberal left and TRA movement however.
If a few squeaky voiced TiFs want to fan the flames then whatever, but the muscle and weight of this movement is completely carried by TiMs and their wealthy financiers. TiFs are merely guests in their own identity umbrella.
Detransers are usually teenage girls who were indoctrinated into genderism and see beyond the blue for boys pink for girls paradigm once they came of age. The TiFs pushing for "pregnant people" won't detrans anytime soon.
Agree, although I know a couple of detrans TiFs who were the militant "not all women menstruate, stop erasing my existence!!!" types. They lend credence to this bullshit ideology, and then leave us to pick up the pieces when they quietly rejoin the ranks. I hold no hatred towards them, but I know very well that they likely helped push this ideology into the mainstream.
Trans people (whether TiM or TiF) who mind their business, don't engage in internet harassment and doxxing of "terfs" and generally just go about their lives are in the minority. The very way this movement is setup requires you to be vocal and aggressive, or you have your transness questioned.
Even those vocal and aggressive who don't ush the ideology THEY want, like "truscum", have their transness questioned. See BW.
I have no problem getting rid of gendered colours on sanitary product packaging.
I've never understood why TiF who have dysphoria are comfortable with being pregnant? Surely if even the mention that "women have periods" sets you off and makes you feel like shit then surely going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth is going to be hell? Right?
(Don't even get me started on those who don't have dysphoria but say they are trans.)
I didn't realize this was a TERF group. Oops.
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Oh yeah, totally. Also, 'non-binary' people who pretend they are neither male nor female. We also are making our terms inclusive for them.
Can we not forget that tifs are being used by men as a shield against other women?
Agreed.
I'm glad you said something about it. The earliest language policing I experienced (and participated in, sad to say) was in the VaginaPagina, a LiveJournal group that was all about female reproductive health but required participants to use non-gendered language for the sake of its TIF participants. We were encouraged to use medical terms like "vagina" and "vulva" and discouraged from saying "Hi ladies!" or "girl parts." I respected it then because I could understand the argument that women with dysphoria need to be able to accesss good information, too. But now I see it as the first wave of a misinformation campaign that's been really damaging in the long run.
Agreed, I just saw a comment from a TIF saying that trans are the only actual oppressed people and ciswomen are just jealous. Sounds like they went straight from internalized misogyny to straight up misogny.
I see a lot of people sympathetic towards FTT, but I honestly can't respect them. What bothers me is in spite of not identifying as women and flipping out at being misgendered, they still feel entitled to women spaces(why should we have to state our pronouns in a group where everyone is presumably a woman). Sure as a female they belong, but according to their ideology they shouldn't be there.
I completely agree with your larger point in this post and I think it's generated a lot of great discussion. I just have been taking issue with the trend I've noticed of posters here who, in an attempt to speak against creepy TiMs trying to co-opt menstruation and women's bodies, speak down on having female bodies and periods. I know your larger point here is about the sexism and misogyny that comes with it, but I wanted to mention it because I've seen it here a lot.
I do love having a woman's body, and in the past couple of years I've learned to embrace my menstrual cycle and find a certain comfort and power in having my period (just in time for my ovaries to go on strike, but still). I'm looking forward to hopefully being able to get pregnant and become a mother. There are a lot of wonderful things that come with being a woman that I've been learning to celebrate. I have certainly struggled with horrible periods, body image issues, infertility, etc. But it's been a little disheartening to see the common refrain here have that negative slant.
It's a minor point, and I realize that society and history have been extremely hostile to women's bodies and that's what most posters are reacting against. But it does make me sad to read so much.
But TIFs are still female, may they want that or not. I don't think we should portray them as the enemy when they are just women who are suffering a lot.
I'm in a certain menstrual problem sub on my main account and they keep saying we need to mind our language. It's disheartening.
I'm in a support group for moms of children with a specific medical issue. Right now, women who want to be allies are trying to make the group for all parents or, if not dads, they want to get rid of the word Mom in the group name to accommodate non-binary people who "don't identify as a mom". Predictably enough, the reason and need for the group are getting lost to bullshit nonsense crap like this.
I heard a big thing about Always taking the Venus symbol off the package but I see the wrappers of all the always products I buy have hashtags and symbols that are female. Is it that the change has been announced but not actually been done yet?