"No one would go to the trouble (of transitioning) just to harm women"
Submitted June 29, 2020, 6:18 a.m. by she_roesTW: rape.
I haven't watched Athlete A yet, I might never, it seems like alot.
But Dr. Nassar clearly became a doctor so he could molest young women and girls. 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, 6 (?) years of residency. All for his sick goals.
1 year of wearing women's clothing so you can get into the women's shelter where there are vulnerable women and girls would've been a sweet deal to him.
No requirements at all for gender ID? Well...
Their arguments are bullcrap.
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A man from my country became a whole English teacher, fully certified, so that he could "teach" (gain access) to orphans in Malaysia. Getting a teaching certificate is several degrees more challenging than simply going to 2 therapy sessions and throwing a dress on for a couple of months.
Men have gone to medical school, university, the church, the military, literally any and every profession imaginable - for the sole purpose of satiating their predatory nature. TiMs are no exception.
Are all TiMs sexual abusers in waiting? Of course not. But it doesn't matter. They should be excluded from our spaces on the basis that they're males. I don't want to change near a law abiding male any more than I want to change in front of a creep. That he thinks he's a woman is irrelevant to me.
That 'teaching at an orphanage in a poor country' crap has to stop. Seriously. It's exploitation.
Why There's A Global Outcry Over Volunteering At Orphanages
This is sickening and infuriating, my goodness.
well, NGOs are pretty notorious for child abuse / human trafficking, we really need to look at them and the way they basically launder money for elites
Yup this. And I also have a friend who gets sent to work wherever there is a crisis, and she said wherever children are separated from their parents there are always men circling like vultures trying to take them away.
That makes me rage so hard. We know that pedophiles will become teachers to have access to children. We know that predators will do what it takes to get close to potential victims. We have examples of people becoming freaking doctors (hello student loans and YEARS of school) to be able to abuse patients. So why is it so far of a jump to say this man who has committed violent crimes against women and children will try to gain access to more victims? And by law, he doesn’t have to change a thing about himself. Full beard, penis? Can still “be a woman” and enter women’s spaces and have access to potential victims. I mean, why is it that most of the men in prison claiming to be trans so they can get moved to a woman’s prison are sex offenders against, you guessed it, women and children.
This is absolutely correct. Also, the argument assumes that most rapes and sexual assaults are premeditated crimes, which they aren’t. The vast majority of sexual assaults are crimes of opportunity. A girl happens to be a little too drunk at a party. Even premeditated rapes are usually a drugged drink because a girl happens to leave her drink unattended. I’m not saying it’s the women’s fault in these examples, it’s certainly not, my point is that it’s not like a heist someone plans for months. A man happens to find himself in a situation where he believes he can get away with it. This is the problem with mixed sex facilities, it creates more of those opportunities. It creates more of those opportunities for men, and it creates those opportunities for “transwomen” who are also natal men. It’s probably true that many of them wouldn’t harm a woman, many men wouldn’t, but if even one of them would, it’s too many.
Hear hear. I looked and couldn't even find the number for females raping female strangers. It's got to be so low it's not counted. The female rapists I have heard of work in tandem with a male. The argument that women are assaulted by women at even close to the same as male rapists is the dumbest of all arguments.
Oh of course. Sure, it’s theoretically possible, and yes, women have lured other women and children for male aggressors. That is extremely extremely rare, and overwhelmingly, we know men commit these crimes. Pretending otherwise is a disservice to everyone.
And yet, according to the stalker sub, just about all of them have been raped or assaulted by women. It's so weird how the "good feminists" over at GenCyn often sound identical to the MRA and incel forums I've visited.
It’s kind of interesting because that’s actually a red flag for an abusive relationship. Many times we tell women “if he makes claims of being abused by his ex female partners, especially more than one of them, it’s likely he’s an abuser. This is a tactic to position himself as the victim. It’s DAVRO.” It’s usually qualified with something like “while female on male violence is possible and does happen, it’s extremely rare and unlikely. That’s not to say male victims shouldn’t be believed, but repeated claims of abuse from multiple former partners is a red flag.” It’s one of those things that always sticks out to me and makes me hesitant with males. It’s a huge red flag, I think, in the trans community. We have multiple trans males that make regular claims of abuse by women and more often than not, it doesn’t fit with statistics and it’s from a man who is eventually found to be abusive himself.
It’s always telling to me that it’s random women in the ladies room too. Against women, minor attacks are hard to nail down numbers on, like harassment, groping, etc. Violent stranger attacks against anyone, man or women, are pretty rare. Violent stranger attacks with a woman as the aggressor are nearly nonexistent. It would be a huge risk for a woman to take. I don’t know a single woman who would consider attacking a trans male. That’s an insane and dangerous thing to even consider, if you ask me.
And then they would say, 'if a man really wants to attack you, he'll follow you into the ladies and do it anyway'
Funny this counter is never used on a TW who refuses to use the men's room because of male violence. Probably because in that instance, people can somehow recognise how disgusting and dismissive and unkind that argument sounds. But women are expected to accept that we are always at risk of attack, even in our sex-segragated spaces, and even actively make it easier for predatory men to enter them. Because that is what Self ID laws do. It's not opening the doors to trans women, it's opening the doors to any male whether he is trans or not.
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And nobody ever says "well, if someone really wants to steal your tv, they will. Why lock your doors?". Or "if someone REALLY wanted to sneak a gun onto a plane, they would. Why have metal detectors?" etc.
When the argument is used for access to women's spaces, it sounds a lot like "You're going to get raped anyway, stop making it more difficult for rapists".
Profound facts
Even worse, it's getting to the point where it is not acceptable to "assume" someones gender, and in many places it is illegal to question anyone about their gender. It means that a man won't even need to wear a dress or anything to pretend to be a woman, he can just follow a young girl into a bathroom without being stopped or questioned just incase he claims to identify as a women, people are afraid of being accused of being transphobic. It would also allow pedophiles to sue businesses if they try to keep them out if the women's washroom.
At this point I don't think ill be using the bathroom in public anymore. I hate this. I hate this so much. Women can't just simply be without some creep trying to take advantage
Absolutely. Also, I always hear this and “transwomen have been doing this forever and there haven’t been a bunch of attacks and you just didn’t know.” These are related statements to me. First of all, transwomen that enter women’s spaces have already violated the women inside. The transwoman cannot know the faith and belief systems of the women in that space, and many women hold beliefs against sharing spaces with males. So yes, if we assume transwomen have been doing this for years without the knowledge of women, yes they have violated the boundaries and consent of the women in these spaces. They’ve just done it without their knowledge. This is a form of harassment, this is an invasion of privacy, and this is a violation. It’s not as bad as physical assault, but if someone is willing to violate a women’s consent on one issue I would venture to guess their respect for women’s consent is flimsy at best. To me, it’s this:
It’s saying “your boundaries, consent, and bodies have always been violated! Why are you so mad at transwomen?!” Well, because they’ve been part of that violation, by their own admission.
I think there has been a demographic shift of who transwomen are, which seems to be glossed over. 30 years ago, most of them were I think effeminate gay men - who went through with surgery or at least wanted to (remember "The Crying Game"?).
Men in their 50s who wanted to wear their wife's bras existed, but did it at home. Now they are doing it in public and demanding to be called "Brandi". These midlife fetishists who are heterosexual males are the most aggressive TRAs.
I agree, and they also are a threat to women. They’re not people just quietly going about their business. If they were they wouldn’t be insistent on the removal of women’s sex based rights. No other community campaigns for its rights at the expense of the rights of others, unless there’s another reason. It’s nothing to do with privacy, or they would be demanding their own spaces, not women’s.
Yes I totally agree. I feel like casual TWAW repeating libfems don't know half the dudes that want in their change room are straight.
Yes, yes, and yes. I never thought about it this way but without being able to articulate it, knew there's something innately wrong with this argument.
It’s also not borne out by the statistics. The vast majority (90%) of sexual assaults in changing rooms in the UK take place in unisex facilities and not single sex ones. This suggests that single sex provisions are a huge protective factor and that many offenders think twice and don’t ‘follow you into the ladies’ anyway’.
I would love a source on that to use it in arguments.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html
And here’s a bonus one on mixed sex hospital wards
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-sexual-assault-patients-mental-health-mixed-sex-wards-a9273656.html
And another:
https://academic.oup.com/shm/article/31/4/732/5166746
Thank you! Bookmarking these.
JKR posted a link in her new tweet yesterday, I don’t have it handy but it’s easy to find
Thank you
This is a great point. Damn.
Males are opportunists.
They will rape babies, animals, corpses, holes in walls, women in nursing homes, women and girls in a coma.
They just need an opportunity. We should be removing opportunity, not providing it.
Oh of course, and there are different levels of premeditation. Carrying a date rape drug to a party with no specific victim in mind is still a level of premeditation, even though it doesn’t rise to the level of grooming one victim in particular. If that man goes to the party and doesn’t have an opportunity to drug anyone I’m sure he’ll still go on to rape someone, but one opportunity has been removed. I look at single sex spaces the same way, it’s one less opportunity, whether the predator is someone who plans or not. I will watch that video for sure though, thank you for the recommendation.
I was raped by a transgender woman, ie a man with a fully functioning penis in a "safe space ". Don't give me that bullshit about just wanting to pee. Over the last 30 years I've known many transsexuals and transvestites and we have had respectful and fun relationships. They were my sisters (didn't really meet any trans men), we looked after each other and had really nice times together.
But now, selfidentifing transgender, trans women have no respect for any one any where. We need great big fences with razor wire around our safe spaces, with a loud WOOOP WOOOP WOOOP siren when a penis approaches.
Not one woman, not one girl should ever have to share an intimate space with a man, no matter what the actual fuck he calls himself.
Penises attached to angry, lustful, entitled men are weapons. It doesn't matter how much self defence you've done. They have it all over us.
Qualifier doesn't even need to be all three, and with or without their penis.
I’m sorry that happened to you.
Thank you for articulating this. This is what non-radical feminists don't fundamentally understand. The nicest, most supportive, gentle male still possesses the power and potential to "take what he thinks he deserves". There is a constant awareness of this for many women, I don't understand how so many TR supporting females can just ignore this feeling. I have been lucky in my life to know wonderful support male family members and friends and very few sexual/physical aggressions from men, but it is always in my consciousness. Safe spaces (without penises) are vital to the health and safety of women and girls.
When Louis CK did his set about men being the biggest threat to women, I thought there’s a nice, supportive man who gets it. That routine was absolutely spot on. And now we know why, he understood the threat because he was part of it. Nice men have always been rapists (not all). That’s how they get away with it. Nobody believes that he could do something like that. They’re not all the Cambridge rapist terrorising women wearing a black leather bondage hood with ‘rapist’ written on the front.
Everything you wrote is spot on & I'm sorry you went through that horrific event.
Under current mainstream TRA proposals, nobody has to go to the trouble of anything at all, just say you're a woman and anybody who doubts you is committing a hate crime.
And most of the people making this argument don't have a sense of what "transition" even means. I see 'helpful' men on twitter saying "oh, but you're talking about transwomen who haven't transitioned yet".
They are simultaneously making the claim that transition is a clear point (presumably surgery); yet also that anyone who says they are trans must be accepted as such.
The definition of trans has been changed. Everybody (from a UK POV) thought it pertained to the five thousand individuals who had gone through full surgery and had Gender Recognition Certificates and that self ID would apply to the handful that might wish to join this five thousand. However, it is now posited that you don’t have to have any type of surgery to be trans; you don’t have to take hormones to be trans; you don’t have to make any attempt to look like the opposite sex to be trans; you don’t even have to live in the role full time - so, if you only feel like you’re a woman once a week that’s fine; cross dressers are now often seen as trans; non binary is trans; androgynous is trans and so forth.
I honestly don’t see why women should be forced to share spaces with a cross dresser on his once weekly outing wearing women’s clothing. Many trans people are horrified at how broad and meaningless the term trans has become and, quite frankly, I don’t blame them.
LOL but that's indeed the whole point, it turns them on to violate women's boundaries
It takes 5 years + learning a language no one else talks to become a Catholic priest. That hasn't stopped paedos
Obviously no one are doing it to "hurt women" but for their likes, which results in the pain of woman. Its essentially the same thing, they just look too hard into wording.
No. They get off on our pain. Don't hide the lede.
All they need to do is study sex offenders who attack adults and children and look at the lengths they go to access victims. Plus there are already cases of prisoners seeking to transition for this purpose. Prison governors have tried to speak about it but are afraid they’ll get labelled transphobic. What activists don’t seem to realise is that when it comes to sex offenders, first, there’s way more of them than anybody likes to think, second, they’re quite single minded and creative.
Sex offenders have studied for years to become teachers, social workers, priests etc. They leave comfortable lives in the West to set up ‘orphanages’ in Cambodia or live in the Philippines where it is easy to rape children.
People with a big obsession can go through anything to get what they want, be it something good or bad.
I don't think that's a good argument for either side.
Yes, those comments remind of the practice of scuba diving in outhouses while people shit on you for a kink. There are all kinds.
Wouldn't even need to be wearing the clothes for a year. Who is going to check? That would be TRANSPHOBIC.
Just turn up in a skirt and under the current wokethink no one can question you.
There was a pedophile who traveled across the country just to met a girl he met online.
Perverts have no limits, trans would aknowledge this if they had a little grasp on reality
You just need to read ANY story about women who've been stalked, or ANY story from women whose ex partners haven't been able to accept the end of the relationship, to realise that there are actually probably hundreds of psycho ex husbands who would identify as a woman at the drop of a fucking hat if they thought it could get them access to the women's refuge their wife and kids have fled to.
I swear the person who raped me was this. Hung out with gay people. I have no idea what their daytime life was like at all. All I know is I trusted them like a woman I’d gay met, maybe a bit like a gay boy, but I felt safe. I had a male grooming me by 11 and attacking me at 14, prayed on again at 17, coming out, being scared of women because I was hurt and suddenly safer with men (emotionally). Then when I am just coming into my own sense of self and dyke-hood and am on a tinder date with this hot Columbian girl (which was rare for where I live) and this shit bag ruins the night. She left with my friend while they attacked me. Who knows how many times this person wing man’s her. She ran out with a straight girl and he attacked the lesbian. Kind of the perfect sexual assault duo, honestly. Difference is mine could have ended with a human child. The other girl got uncomfortable when kissing got too heavy and left. That’s the difference. Women don’t do what they are capable of.
Holy shit, that's awful. I'm so sorry :(
My OBGYN was in his sixties and practiced for thirty years when a patient caught him taking a picture of her. She went to the police and they found multiple pictures of his patients on his phone. Creepy men will do whatever they can to harm women. If men will go to medical school in order to violate women, then putting on a dress to do it seems pretty easy in comparison.
This is what finally won over my TRA friend who works in corrections. As a matter of fact he monitors sex offenders. I just gave him the statistics we have on UK prisons as well as a handful of incidents in the U.S., and we talked at length about the self-ID and the (lack of) requirements to access women’s spaces.
He said “rapists and pedophiles are some of the least lazy criminals out there”
It doesn't matter if it literally only happens once. Or hell, if it never happens but it's a fear for women. Women fought hard for women's spaces. Having women's only bathrooms and shelters are an essential part of women's rights.
Women's rights are predicated on the basis of their sex and without a clear definition of womanhood, hard won protections are forfeit.
Men will hide in tanks full of shit to get access to vulnerable women, but I'm supposed to believe wearing a dress is one step too far?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/colorado-peeper-hid-portable-toilet-sentenced-article-1.1442306
Agree.
Athlete A is brilliant, but hard to watch.