There are so many articles out there. Pick your favorite and/or add your own, I'm just grabbing some random ones for people out-of-the-loop to get an idea of what's going on:

• https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-lgbt-free-zones-homophobia-hate-speech-law-justice-party-a9013551.html
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/polands-right-wing-ruling-party-has-found-a-new-targetlgbt-ideology/2019/07/19/775f25c6-a4ad-11e9-a767-d7ab84aef3e9_story.html

(Archive, for non-subscribers: https://archive.is/WuWib))

• https://www.france24.com/en/20190720-polish-gay-pride-marchers-defy-stone-throwing-hooligans
• https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-lgbt/polish-police-detain-25-after-attacks-on-equality-march-idUSKCN1UG0GH
• YouTube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYis1n3VaXo

(Streamable link: https://streamable.com/w942r))

I have watched it go from "gay and lesbian" to the alphabet soup, and it seems to only be getting longer. Perhaps, it should go back to its roots. I don't have anywhere really to ask what people think about this - so I will try here.

What is your opinion? Do we need anything besides "Gay and Lesbian"

The twitter users are small and by no way public figures, so I feel uncomfortable putting their pictures up. The couple, a male and female, claim to be trans and the female uses he/him pronouns while the male uses they/them pronouns. The female still presents feminine and posts pictures of her breasts and tweets about her “pussy”. I haven’t found the male’s profile, but in the photo of the flyer asking for money, he presents very masculine and has some “edgy” piercings. I genuinely don’t understand how a heterosexual couple is now “queer” and is using it as bait for donations.

I was pondering about different reasons of what might drive an adult to deny the reality of sex.

One possible theory playing on my mind is infantalization.

Before I start I want to make it clear I'm not saying all adults who identify as trans are infantile, but I can't help noticing a large chunk of them are.

I have trans friends who can be very mature, but I also have a trans friend who asked their parents for Pokemon toys for their 23rd birthday (they obliged and bought them some plushies if you're curious).

This I thought strange and it got me curious.

So after a bit of lurking on some trans boards I couldn't help noticing the large number of cartoon characters there (which is fine, I've nothing against cartoons.)

But looking a little closer a large chunk of these boards are people posting reems of cartoon drawings of children to represent themselves.

A classic example would be the 'Assigned Male' comics, why has the artist chosen to depict themselves as a little girl?

I'm not saying it's anything sinister, all the cartoons I've seen on these boards have been incredibly innocent.

But looking at a lot of the media these people consume, it seems stuff geared to or about kids, things like Steven Universe, Stranger Things, Adventure Time, Anime, She-Ra.....again nothing wrong with adults enjoying cartoons, but when adults start openly identifying with kids cartoons and characters in them as reflections of themselves often referencing them to excess, it makes me question things.

Add to that the language I've had directed to me on other social media platforms (I was called a "big meany" by an adult man sat in a room full of Sailor Moon toys the other week, who was backed up by his friend wearing a superhero costume who called me a "mean old person", despite me being younger than both of them.)

I can't help but wonder; is a large chunk of this denial of sex and sexuality coming from adults who are simply frightened of growing up?

Thoughts on this?

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Having Gender Dysphoria and having attraction toward the same sex is... totally different...

I don't get why they were lumped together in the first place. When I say I'm LGBT, people automatically think I experience same-sex attraction.

Plus, I've seen quite a few of LGB people who don't support the T, which is fine, support what you want.

So, yeah. Just wanted to put out there that I, a trans person, support this.

Just for context I’m a teenager going through high school and I’m very very confused. Also doing my best to read up on gay culture and history(so if y’all have any good documentaries pls comment them)

I used the term queer (really just bi) because people seem to respond to that better. Ik that people here think that the Q shouldn’t be in the community and I don’t understand why. Can’t someone just used it if their not 100% sure their 100% gay? Like ik I’m 100% into girls but for guys idk and queer is more comfortable for me. What is wrong with the Q or am I good?

Also what makes someone trans and is pride that bad? (I’ve never went) it seem so accepting to me.

I just have a lot of questions and I feel like if I ask these questions in another sub I might get banned.

I do my best to be a critical thinker so don’t hold back. If I’m wrong tell me( and why I’m wrong if u want, it’ll help me figure out my stand on the point).

Thanks for possibly replying

(Sorry mods for possibly breaking any rules, I’ve read them over and I’m pretty positive that I’m good, but u never know)

You got the flags wrong on your retarded banner you scums r/lbgt has 346,000 more members than your retarded sub go kys retards

Hey trans girl here just wanted to drop by and leave a fuck you to the creator of this sub reddit. Bye!

Fuck transphobes!

About 340,000 members. (Being forgiving by approximation its closer to 343,000 members)

~bi 14 yr old who can do math

finger guns and walks away fuckin jackasses.

You need to stop. The transgender community worked hard for their rights, just like the rest of the LGBTQIA+. You need to stop disrespecting them. They don’t deserve it. How would you feel if someone said ‘LGTdroptheB’ or ‘GBTdroptheL’ or ‘LBTdroptheG’

I’d assume you would feel irrelevant, disrespected, alone. This is exactly how your making the trans community feel. Everyone deserves rights as much as you do. Don’t drop the T.

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Honest question, since I'm having a professional existencial crisis. I work in health research, and I really wanted to do work about sexuality and specially about LGB people (since why not work about what you know), but recently I hit a wall, and I lost all my interest on working in LGB topics.

Thanks to absurd deconstructions of sexualities like:

"Asexuality refers only to sexual attraction, you can still have romantic, aesthetic, and sensual (cuddling) attraction to men."

Or literal dozens of different genders, like this thing

I don't want to deal with this bullshit. I want to help people that actually need help, but unfortunately reaching LGB people usually relies on LGBT++++ orgs and they are slowly being overturned by the trans/gender narrative.

Objectively I understand that a lot of this are just kids exploring their identities and that's totally ok, but there's also adults doing it, and these people are pushing policies and narratives that absolutely make no fucking sense in any scientific field but you still need to comply otherwise you are fucked by their lynch mob or they block your access.

My relationship with the LGB (T+++) community was already tenuous at best, since I never saw myself represented in it, but I thought that working on LGB health research would help me make that connection, and now I feel like I would be better off just cutting myself off completely from anything related to it.

I saw an interesting discussion on intersex on the rainbow subreddit, the interesting part being the views being expressed on genital surgery for minors.

I actually met Anne Fausto-Sterling years ago at a seminar where she was speaking on intersex issues, and the big question has always been whether or not to do surgery on intersex children as infants or minors. Doctors used to push parents very hard to do this, telling them that their kids would be psychologically damaged if they weren't surgically altered ASAP to resemble one sex or the other more closely. Unfortunately, this didn't always work out to be the sex to which the child eventually felt the most affinity. Fausto-Sterling and others were advocating a "watch and wait" approach except in cases where there were severe functional problems.

The irony is watching this "watch and wait" approach massively upvoted with people saying, "No genital surgery on minors!" You know if the same view were expressed with regards to trans minors, you would be downvoted into Hades.

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In the wake of the queer/trans takeover of a formerly gay male community where anyone who says anything questioning the T is now banned, it's interesting to see how the nature of the content has shifted. For instance, we have a young lesbian who's questioning her gender identity and who wrote about not being admitted to a Facebook group for lesbians because they said she would not be a good fit. This provoked a whole thread about "Uggh, terfs." And now we have a gofundme page posted with a goal of $35,000 to pay for the vaginoplasty portion of a transwoman's SRS . . . because, of course, gay men feel so much in common with someone who hates his masculinity so much that he wants to have it surgically removed. No thanks. I'll donate to the local no-kill animal shelter instead and actually save some lives.

I also noticed that a lot of the people posting about these topics all this joined the group about three months ago, so it looks to someone with a suspicious mind like this was a coordinated action to infiltrate, provoke conflict, and use that conflict to take over.

Source: https://www.openlynews.com/i/?id=0276af15-bd17-4ff8-8c11-5a1f6a2f770d

The number of people who considered same-sex relationships to be "not wrong at all" slid to 66% in the latest British Social Attitudes report by The National Centre for Social Research (NatCen), down from 68% a year earlier.

Although not as big of a decline as in the US, it's still worrisome, specially since in the US the acceptance rate has been declining for the last 3 years, so this decline in the UK might follow a similar trend.

Over the years, I've seen several thinkpieces from bi activists ruminating over how having "straight privilege" is awful, or how biphobic lesbians and gay men are, but they fail to recognize the huge pink elephant in the room, which is how bi women are continously harassed and preyed on.

The most common complaint I've seen by bi women are not whether or not that lesbians accept them (however it is an issue), but how the stereotype of them being more sexually available harms us. Bi women are often preyed on by couples or straight men with perverted/abusive intentions. Just go on OKC and see the many profiles of bi women who have to put "NO COUPLES" on theirs because they're constantly being hit up by couples who just want to a unicorn to use and throw away. I myself have been consistently harrassed by straight couples or men who just want sex. I was even raped by a couple during my college years.

I believe that the preying of bi women by couples and straight men leads to why sexual assault statistics are so high among us, why our mental health is deteriorated and why we're vulnerability to abusive relationships. However, it seems that bi activists tend to go after lesbians and gays for being biphobic (for inane reasons such as not wanting to date us -or- because they are not comfortable when we bring straight partners to their social spaces). I think a lot of activists are fixated on LGs because they seem them easier target for them to attack. It's even gotten worse when queer theory infiltrated the LGB community.

Meanwhile, the real plight of bi women is ignored and year after year, and people keep wondering why we're in such bad shape. This is part of the reason why I really don't involve myself with bi community politics.

I came up with this idea in a comment on another post, but it was a point that I thought worth its own post.

One bit chunk of data proving that there was a thriving LGB movement before it became LGBT can be found by looking at the explosion of LGB scholarship in the late 1980s and 1990s. Prior to that, many LGB historians were actually working outside the academy or on the side since the study of homosexuality was mostly confined to Psychology departments, but that changed in the late 1980s, opening up a whole new field of social history. An unavoidable fact of all this scholarship is that it's about lesbians and gay men with barely a mention of transgenderism at all. These scholars had all the liberal/left credentials anyone could ask for. If trans activists had always been at the core of gay rights, why aren't they mentioned at all?

Here's a sampling of book titles on my own shelf: The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader, The Gay and Lesbian Literary Companion, Hidden From History: Reclaiming the Gay and Lesbian Past, Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, and Gay New York.The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader was marketed as a textbook for Intro to Gay and Lesbian Studies courses, like one for which I was a TA in the 1990s. Of course, the Women's Studies Department under which that course was offered no longer exists, replaced by Gender Studies. And you can be sure that Gay and Lesbian Studies has been erased as well.

Yet, the fact that we were LGB into the 1990s is documented right there in the scholarship and the publications of the period. All you need is a good bibliography.

I won't link it to avoid any accusations of brigading but there's a post about the role of trans people in Pride/Stonewall/throwing that first damn brick on /r/LGBT at the moment and surprisingly the comments opposing retrospective transing of the people involved are highly upvoted. Not sure how long they'll last.

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