Scientific facts on why being transgender shouldn't be widely accepted as something "brave" and "powerful" like LGB people #DropTheT

Submitted July 25, 2019, 1:16 p.m. by kream_king

Transsexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV. Source:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/

About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789

Only 12% of boys who believe they are transsexuals still believe so when they are older. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194003

MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men. Source:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide. Source:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/

Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide. Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Most young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months. Source:http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

65% of transsexual youth have seriously considered suicide within the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

1 in 10 young transsexuals has attempted suicide more than three times in the last year. Source:http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

Only 21% of transsexuals can sucessfully pass as the opposite gender. Source:http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_report_on_health.pdf#page=3

53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children. Source:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237

16% of transsexuals have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population. Source:http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/Training%20and%20TA%20Center/FORGE_Trans_People_Police_Incarceration_Facts.pdf

Gay and transgender students are half as likely to graduate high school as straight students. Source:https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2010/06/21/7980/gay-and-transgender-youth-homelessness-by-the-numbers/

20-40% of homeless children are transsexuals. Source:https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2010/06/21/7980/gay-and-transgender-youth-homelessness-by-the-numbers/ 44% of transsexuals with a job are underemployed. Source: http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/transgender-workers-at-greater-risk-for-unemployment-and-poverty

Children raised by gay couples are twice as likely to be in poverty as children of straight married couples. Source:http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/headlines/beyond-stereotypes-poverty-in-the-lgbt-community/

24% of lesbians and bisexual women are poor, compared with only 19% of heterosexual women.” Source:http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/headlines/beyond-stereotypes-poverty-in-the-lgbt-community/

1/3 transsexuals are being treated for mental health. Source:http://www.medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more-likely-develop-depression-and-anxiety-247044

85% of transsexuals show signs of psychological distress or have been recently treated for mental health. Source:http://www.medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more-likely-develop-depression-and-anxiety-247044

44% of transsexuals show signs of clinical depression. Source:http://www.medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more-likely-develop-depression-and-anxiety-247044

Transsexuals are more likely to have autism than the general population. Source: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00787-005-0469-4

Transsexuals college students are five times more likely than all students to have an eating disorder. Source: http://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X%2815%2900087-7/abstract

Transsexuals college students are 30 times more likely than straight men to have eating disorders. Source: http://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X%2815%2900087-7/abstract

27% of MtF transsexuals test positive for HIV. Only 12% report it. Source:http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/

Transsexuals are several times more likely than normal people to have schizophrenia. Source:http://www.hindawi.com/journals/schizort/2014/463757/

Worldwide, male-to-female transsexuals are 50 times likely to have HIV than normal people. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/

Transsexuals have higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse, prostitution, and incarceration than normal people. Source:http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/

Transsexuals have higher rates of unemployment, homelessness, and attempted suicide than normal people. Source:http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/

Transsexuals are four times more likely to live in extreme poverty than the general population. Source:http://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=8

Transsexuals are twice as likely to be unemployed as the general population. Source:http://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=9

Non-white transsexuals are four times as likely to be unemployed as the general population. Source:http://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=9

Transsexuals are twice as likely to be homeless as cisgendered people. Source:http://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=10

1 in 5 transsexuals has been homeless at least once in their lives. Source:http://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=10

Close to 80% of children who feel transsexual will abandon their sexual confusion as they age. Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

Many transsexuals choose to take hormone treatments over HIV medication. Source: http://news.yahoo.com/one-group-people-acquiring-hiv-204557712.html

Male-to-female transsexuals are 50 times more likely than normal people to have HIV. Source: http://news.yahoo.com/one-group-people-acquiring-hiv-204557712.html

19 comments recovered from the Pushshift database.
Almomdee · July 25, 2019, 1:19 p.m. · 2 replies

Listen, to be honest, I think this post is mean and don't mind being downvoted for saying so. I don't want to drop the T because trans people are more likely to commit suicide or be infected with HIV; it's because I honestly don't understand why sexuality is grouped with gender identity.

JulienMayfair · July 25, 2019, 4:36 p.m.

I agree. I think this post should be removed because, looking at the poster's post history, I don't think it's being posted in good faith.

No one who was thinking about what they were posting would post something about HIV infection rates in this context in an LGB subreddit for starters.

Blibbobletto · July 25, 2019, 5:11 p.m.

I'm not defending the movement, but I agree. The title says that these facts prove why trans people aren't brave, and then you have facts like 40% of homeless children are trans? Maybe because they got kicked out by their parents? Most of these facts just demonstrate how much trans people suffer. It doesn't mean you should hate them for it. It means they're victims to a toxic ideology that has them convinced they have an answer to their mental problems. I always thought this community was about disagreeing with the narrative and propaganda, not shitting on people with severe mental issues. This is a bad post, and it seems like you haven't really thought out the point that you're trying to make.

OmiTheHomi · July 25, 2019, 1:27 p.m. · 2 replies

Alright. Controversial comment time. No one should be seen as “brave” or “powerful” for doing anything. While i do agree that no one should be able to change there sex. And this is coming from a bisexual man. My sexual orientation doesnt feel like an achievement and nor should it be seen as one. Im just a man who like sleeping with men and women. I really should not be seen as “brave” or “powerful” lol. Especially if we want to achieve general equality.

2or3thingsIknow · July 25, 2019, 1:35 p.m.

Exactly.

GenderMuffin · July 25, 2019, 3:04 p.m.

I think bravery is a real thing that people can be, but it's for like, rushing into burning buildings to save people, or whistleblowing on government or corporate misbehavior when you have no Twitter mob to hide behind and the consequences are worse than people saying mean things to you on social media. There was a time when coming out really was brave, when there really were massive risks to it. It wasn't being gay that was the accomplishment, it was being willing to defy straight society and violence in order to fight for what was right.

A lot of lefty rights movements are shooting themselves in the foot with bullshit positivity and even "Pride", which as a concept has gone so far past what it was originally intended to counteract. Pride was never "I'm so great because I'm gay!" it was "I refuse to let you shame me for being something that is not actually a bad thing just because it makes your straight ass society and you think your discomfort means you get to interfere with the lives and rights of other people". It's gotten to the point where everyone wants a sloppy rimjob for just getting up in the morning and even superlatives mean nothing. Like how because of idiot girl feminism, now literally every woman is always referred to as "beautiful". It would be ridiculous even if looks were the be-all and end-all of women's value, because if literally everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful, it's just meaningless.

smolbur · July 25, 2019, 2:03 p.m. · 1 reply

I think these are important issues but I think knocking people because they have autism, are suicidal, come from a troubled home, have HIV etc, etc is really fucking cruel.

People who have these social issues can still be considered brave. There's plenty transpeople I consider brave with issues like these.

Can you please consider rewording this post? This is the kind of thing is what is going to see this sub labeled as a hate group and get it shut down.

waww16 · July 25, 2019, 3:20 p.m. · 1 reply

I see where your coming from and personal It’s not like I hate trans people but it’s clearly a mental health issue and I don’t think it should be encouraged I think therapy and stuff should be given to them for free but what do I know?

smolbur · July 25, 2019, 3:25 p.m. · 1 reply

I agree with you, I also think trans people are not well, but that doesn't mean they aren't brave for living with their condition or dealing with issues that arise from it.

Maybe leave the links but consider rewording the title a bit? Obvs up to you though, it's your post.

waww16 · July 25, 2019, 3:28 p.m. · 1 reply

Actually I can 100% agree with you they can still be brave I just don’t know how I feel about social media and the news way of almost encouraging it. Also not OP so i can’t change the post

smolbur · July 25, 2019, 3:30 p.m.

Sorry didn't check you username.

somegenerichandle` · July 25, 2019, 2:04 p.m.

I donno, Ned Stark said the only time you can be brave is when you are afraid. Facing deadly illnesses, surviving suicide, and having unstable housing -- seems sort of brave to me. I'd certainly be afraid.

ohfudgeit · July 25, 2019, 3:02 p.m. · 1 reply

I'll be honest, I'm not a supporter of the drop the T movement, but I'm not here to talk about that. I'm here because I stumbled across this post and can't allow such ridiculous misinformation to be left unchallenged. With that in mind I'm only going to address the points that are clearly false.

About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older.

If you look, this and the next point actually both come from the same study (100 - 88 = 12, wow). There are two things that makes me question the reliability of this study (in the context of having seen many recent studies that show the exact opposite, here is one published last year that surveyed over 500 participants in this age group and found a desistance rate for them of less than 2%) is that it only looks at a total of 25 participants, the other is that it is over ten years old. The reason that the age is of particular concern is that the way we diagnose gender incongruence has changed a lot in recent years and so a lot of people who might have been thought trans teen years ago would not be today. Here is a great article the subject. If you look into the details of the study (full text can be found here you can see that the doctors involved in the study did exactly what this article is talking about (and what is no longer practice) and based their assessment on whether children's _behaviour_ was gender typical.

MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men.

Wow. Read your source. The study involved only showed that trans individuals in some cases show brain structures more similar to people of the same gender than sex.

Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide.

Nope. Again, read the source. It does not compare suicide rates in people pre and post surgery, it compares them to controls of the same gender in the general public. Also, you're again referencing a study that is over ten years old. For evidence that transition reduces the suicide rate in trans people see the following sources [1] [2] [3] [4]. There are more but no need to labour the point.

Only 21% of transsexuals can sucessfully pass as the opposite gender

I don't know if this is true. Your source is broken and I could not find it by other means (at least, I could not find any source saying what you claim your source says). I'm inclined to disbelieve purely because... How would one possibly measure such a thing?

53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children.

Unfortunately I cannot access this study so I cannot argue against it but I've not found any corroborating studies. Again, this is from 1991.

Long post, but thought I'd do the work so others wouldn't need to.

MyLongestJourney` · July 25, 2019, 7:46 p.m.

the reliability of this study (in the context of having seen many recent studies that show the exact opposite, here is one published last year that surveyed over 500 participants in this age group and found a desistance rate for them of less than 2%
This is the study's conclusion
CONCLUSION: The number of people with gender identity issues seeking professional help increased dramatically in recent decades. The percentage of people who regretted gonadectomy remained small and did not show a tendency to increase.
OP's referenced a study about GID desistance in children.A totally different thing.

b33fdove · July 25, 2019, 3:40 p.m. · 1 reply

This is incredibly homophobic and imo does not belong here at all.

97410 · July 25, 2019, 5:44 p.m.

Very sneaky "children raised by gay couples are twice as likely to be in poverty" and "24% of WLW are poor compared to 19% of het women"

This sub is supposed to be for the LGB community, not shaming us for experiencing oppression

MinkMartenReception · July 25, 2019, 4 p.m.

Uhh, the rate of homelessness amongst gay parents/families, has nothing to do with the trans movement.

MyLongestJourney` · July 25, 2019, 7:27 p.m.

Your post borders on dehumanization OP.Also some of the studies you cite refer to homosexual subjects,not transsexuals.I would advice you to at least edit the post in a less dehumanizing tone and remove your references to irrelevant subjects.If you are capable of it.If not,then delete it.

Im-Probably-Drinking · July 25, 2019, 7:51 p.m.

This post is homophobic and, dare I say it... yes I will... transphobic.

We're not your dumping ground for anti-LGBT fallacies.