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Which word triggers people?! Vagina? Like it's some unspeakable naughty word? Rather than mentioning fucking rape as a trigger fark offffff
I swear to the FSM the way these people's brains work is beyond hilarious.
Yeah but the word dick somehow won't trigger dysphoria in some people.
It would trigger trans men if they would bother to think of them
The thing that can actually cause PTSD in people is casually mentioned, but heaven forbid someone's cognitive dissonance flares up...
Only trans women matter! Not trans men! Funny how sexism still works
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I read something on this sub just yesterday: "They really don't understand gay people."
And that's exactly it: Some TRAs don't seem to understand (or want to understand) that no, genitals are not "just another trait people have" when it comes to sexual orientation. It seems inconceivable to them that a man really, really wouldn't want to touch or interact with a vagina (or a lesbian with a dick). They don't believe it, unless there is a "good enough explanation".
Yeah, actually that probably is a major underlying issue.
I don’t understand what it feels like to be trans, I haven’t experienced it, I don’t know how it feels or what the issues are.
So it’s not supprising if some trans people have no idea what it is like to be gay. Thier attempt to understand why many gay men wouldn’t be date a man with a vagina is very messed up. It’s unlikely to be because of rape or sexual assault. For most of us it is because we are gay.
Which is why I wouldn’t try to suggest to a trans person how they should be/act/live/experience. I honestly haven’t the foggiest starting point to begin to tell them anything.
How can you not understand what it means to be gay? I know what heterosexual and lesbian is based on understanding my own sexuality (I.e. straight woman desire men like I do) They have sexualities too, so it’s not undiscovered country.
What I think it is, IMO, is so many of them are pAn and unlike most bisexuals, don’t get that some people only like one sex. Not one gender, one sex.
Ive wondered that too, are they all bisexuals? But then again there's tons of bisexuals who are not like that, so I don't think it's only that... Mind boggling really
It is very popular for woke bisexuals to say everyone is bisexual and that sexuality is fluid.
That's really shitty :/
I fucking hate these kind of bisexuals, they're homophobic as hell.
This guy argues homosexuality is the natural universal tendency and that heterosexuality is cultivated out of necessity for reproduction (owing to circumstances unique to the massive leap in human intelligence that minimized instinct, including the sexual instinct), and that humans could not have lost their heterosexual instinct until they had sufficient intellect to create cultural constructs to enforce it.. https://web.archive.org/web/20190418191602/http://www.humansexualevolution.com/
YES. I have a close friend who has said this even though I suspect SHE'S actually a full-on lesbian who's pretending to be bi for some reason I can't fully grasp. It's projection to the Nth degree.
many gay men wouldn't be date a man with vagina
not many, *gay men wouldn't date "men with vagina", period.
It’s unlikely to be because of rape or sexual assault. For most of us it is because we are gay.
Remember when it was considered to be homophobic to insinuate that the only reason we're gay or lesbian is because we were once raped/molested by a man or a woman when we were kids? They're literally using that same logic now, "Oh, this person can't have sex with penises/vaginas because they're a victim of abuse." No, it's because I'm fucking gay and don't like vaginas. I was never molested or sexually abused as a child or sexually assaulted by a woman (or a man for that matter). I'm just gay.
The thing is too, they always like to pretend that this is a trump card and they'll respect people not wanting to date someone with a penis/vagina due to some trauma but that's bullshit too. I've seen them tell rape and molestation victims that they need to "work through their trauma" and that their abuse is "not an excuse to be transphobic". The absolute fucking nerve to tell someone that they need to just get over what was probably the worst trauma of their lives just to feel validated/get laid.
I've been with men who were sexually abused when they were young and would tell me that they couldn't do certain acts because of it. I respected it 100% and told them that they never had to do anything that made them feel uncomfortable or unsafe because I'm not a piece of shit. I can't even fathom basically telling a sex abuse victim that they just need to "get over it".
Most of these trans women, because this argument mainly comes from them, if they are straight ("transbians") are not interested in penis either except when it's part of a scenario satisfying their fetish (validating their identity as a "real" woman). These AGPs have no interest in relationships with men.
This sounds like a meme but... autism... it's a side effect of autism to be unable to tell the difference between men and women so they rely on superficial queues (otherwise known as gender). The extremely obvious differences to normal people become background noise to them.
Do you have any sources on this? This is an interesting take.
If I remember I'll look this weekend when I'm not on my phone at work.
Uh, where did you get that information though? Yes, autistic individuals are more likely to be gender non conforming themselves (due to the feeling/tightness/practicality of different clothes, regardless of gender), but at no point can they not tell between men and women. Not a single book I've read on autism spectrum disorders or aspergers has said this. Where did you hear this? I'd honestly like to know, since I'm autistic and have never had an experience with this issue. Unless the person is GNC or trans/non-binary, I've never had an issue telling who is female or male, and I definitely don't use 'superficial clues' to tell them apart.
I'm going to paste in a response I had previously researched. I'm going to give the huge caveat that I may have misinterpreted the results slightly. The difference may be more that the children were GNC which caused adults to impart a bias onto the children which they then pick up.
As compared to non-referred comparisons, participants with ASD were 7.59 times more likely to express gender variance; participants with ADHD were 6.64 times more likely to express gender variance.
The poor understanding of social relationships which is characteristic of individuals with ASD, led Landen and Rasmussen (1997) to suggest that GD could develop as a consequence of this difficulty in social interactions. A boy with ASD who had been bullied by other boys might have developed a feeling of belonging to the female sex out of aversion to the male gender (Tateno et al., 2008). Indeed, this was mentioned by one adolescent in a sample of individuals with co-occurring GD and ASD who stated that he had always had the feeling of being different from his peers – which he attributed to GD (de Vries et al., 2010). Parkinson (2014) also described two birth-assigned men who had feelings of being different and interpreted these feelings as GD and therefore requested gender reassignment therapies. Caution was warranted, however, as these feelings turned out not to belong to a true GD but more likely to ASD.It has also been suggested that ASD relates to deficits in social communication which can lead to people missing social cues about a child’s gender presentation which, in turn, might increase the likelihood of the child developing GD (Strang et al., 2014). In line with this hypothesis, Shumer et al. (2015) found an increase in autistic symptoms as measured by the Social Responsiveness Scale (SRS) in mothers with children who show higher degrees of gender nonconformity
I'm confused on the demographics of the fascist that make these arguments. Are they straights just virtue signaling? Or are they gays that so used to fighting they forget what our fight was?
That's cute, Aiden. I'm sure the "I like guys with dicks/women with vaginas" thing will go over well, since NO ONE EVER SAYS having a "genital preference" is transphobic. /s
I legit scrolled back up to see if the person had said their name was Aiden loooooool I believed it
But like didn't some other TRA say that saying guys with dicks is transphobic? Fuck their non-logic.
My thoughts exactly, I thought about it for a second very confused
They change the definitions of words and mandate new preferred terminology SO frequently that they are CONSTANTLY contradicting themselves, which I'm starting to believe isn't just ineptitude but rather it's by design. If they can just keep moving the goalposts and removing all meaning from the terms of the debate, then they can say that any person or action is transphobic whenever they want.
"Personally i think genitals should be seen as more of just another trait people have."
Personally I think your retarded
Only trauma is a good enough reason to say no because they don’t value consent enough to care otherwise.
Some people don't even take that for an answer, they'll just tell you to "overcome it"
Whatever happened to no means no? Why do I have to justify my no?
I don't understand how they can compare genitals to a trait. Some men are short, some are tall but all of them are supposed to have dicks :v
No in their delusion mind where sex doesn't exist
EDIT: Sry, forgot that word could trigger dysphoria for some.
holy shit. i thought they had blocked the word rape, scrolled back up... are you kidding. wow, just wow.
The funniest thing is that they only censored one of the "vagina"s in the text
Omg, they have no clue what being homossexual is dear lord
Calling a gay person transphobic for having sex preferences is actually extremely homophobic.
So vagina is triggering, but dick isn't. Gee, riddle me that one.
I'll type this slowly...
Homosexual is a ...
To a Person...
Of One's Own...
They're just playing dumb.
Fucking "rape" isn't?! Fuck these idiots
Bruh sex is just another trait people have, we're all actually pan but y'all choose to be transphobic
thank you for choosing to censor humxn🙏
The whole thread is a dumpster fire of "no one should be forced to date trans people, BUT..."
This one probably takes the cake with its blatant hypocrisy: https://imgur.com/a/hEdpCte
Trans people are fine with not interacting with other trans people, but a cis gay man wanting a dick is a "red flag".
Why won’t trans people date each other?
This is like the fat acceptance movement. You’ve got a bunch of overweight or obese women who feel slighted by society bc men are visual and prefer thinner women. Then they start trying to redefine attraction which didn’t really work. Then they started calling people fatphobic bc they weren’t interested in dating them.
Then you ask the person, well why don’t you date a bigger guy? They scoff with contempt and tell you that they have higher standards than that.
We are what we attract.
I like how they think the penis issue is about size, and not the fact that, yknow, a prosthetic is a cold lifeless piece of plastic to be shoved into someone, where as a flesh and blood penis has sensations and reacts and feels much different than a dildo. At that rate why not tie a hairbrush to your crotch and say "here's the handle, ladies, have at!" if they think sex with a woman is just about shoving whatever plastic knob they can find in there and being satisfied like we're all horny inexperienced 13 year olds
This, adding in the observation "look at what their desperation has lead them to."
Trigger warnings... Another thing that seemes fairly benign but really was the world kotoweing to trans and enabling them to become authoritarian bigots
Well, that's one thing we actually can't blame on trans activism. Trigger warnings began as a way to warn people that what they were about to read could provoke a strong negative emotional reaction like flashbacks or could even prompt the readers to harm themselves, but there were only a handful of types of triggers initially: graphic accounts of sexual assault and/or rape; content that could be seen as promoting eating disorders; and discussion of self harming/suicide.
I understand the reasoning behind making this choice initially, even though I have always strongly disagreed with it, but the concept of trigger warnings was quickly taken over by power hungry wokesters and became MUCH more extensive and oppressive. The lists of triggers grew longer and longer until they reached an absolutely absurd degree; I remember one of my favorite discussion boards was absolutely gutted when a new mod took over and had hundreds of things you had to self-censor or preface with trigger warnings.
I specifically remember that one thing requiring a trigger warning was "content related to similarity in twins" (I still don't understand this!) and that was when I knew my wonderful discussion place had been destroyed. Hell, it was a support community for serious illnesses, but they required trigger warnings for any discussion of illness, injury, and medical procedures of any kind! So anyways, that whole woke, censoring, shaming online infrastructure was already becoming entrenched by the time trans activism suddenly exploded about five years ago.
Vagina provokes dysphoria but penis doesn’t? Their endless efforts to literally make women and our anatomy dirty words has no end. The most dangerous misogynists dominating society today.
This is in an FTM sub.
Also, it's can be heterosexuality.
"Uhh no one's trying to erase women, uhhh, something something, JK ROWLING" /ss
Only rapists justify the questioning of "no means no"
Personally, I dont have a problem with trans people but if you haven't gone through surgery then you are just a dude in a dress or a chick in pants(no issue either way) wanna be a man=have a penis/ wanna be a woman=no penis. At the end of the day im not going to not have sex with you because you have a trans genitals.... its based on if i find you attractive or ugly. Im bi and I dont want a woman with stubble either way and I like my men to be manly.... like a bear 🐻
wanna be a man=have a penis
Even a fully operational penile transplant won’t make a trans-identifying female a man.
You’re not a real man because you don’t have a dick
No, you’re not a real man because you were born a woman, and no amount of hormones or surgery will change that.
And nobody ever walked around wanting to have this argument until they pushed it. I would never go out of my way to be like "HEY TRANSGENDER WOMAN! YOU'RE NOT A REAL WOMAN!" But when they come into my female spaces and I'm told I have to treat the trans women the same as biological woman, or I'm told I have to be attracted to the trans women because "all women are real women" or "trans women are real women".... I'm not just gonna sit there and agree, because I don't.
I'm bi so idc about gentalia but this way of thinking is so fucked up
This is the ultimate trap for us bisexuals, they all expect us to have absolutely no genital preference and fuck and suck anything they put in our faces. But I DO want my men to be men and my women to be women, so now I'm relegated to r/truebisexuals because the regular bisexual board has become more or less a trans subreddit. I'm not even allowed to express this "genital preference" on there without being banned, maybe next time if I claim I was traumatized they won't try to coerce my sexuality hmmm
"Hey, if you need to completely alter how you think for my convenience
I tried forcing myself straight by consuming Heterosexual porn the sight of a womans vagina made swell up in disgust I ended up throwing up on the floor every time for years i tortured myself to straighten myself out that includes self - harming depriving myself of sleep , drinking bleach and other chemicals that left my throat damaged forcing myself to look at nude woman only to again throw up I wanted to kill myself cause I wasn't "normal" these people have no fucking idea the shit I've went through cutting myself crying out to god every night to change me .
They can go rot in hell ! I like biological men I don't care if that bothers you I don't give a fuck !
fetishist straight women with some mental problems.
bangs head against wall I can't...
You don’t get to decide biology and sexuality. You don’t get to tell people what they like. Get over it.
The edit fucking sent me. AHH! THE WORD FOR FEMALE GENITALS! I'M TRIGERRRRRRRRRRRRED
lol @ censoring words to avoid offending people "with dysphoria" but completely negating the feelings of HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE by equating their innate orientations with mere genital preferences. Talk about narcissism.
Guys don’t have vaginas.
And yet when gay men say "I like guys with dicks" they are called transphobes and the pitchforks come out. It's almost like these people are disingenuous manipulators. 🤔🤔🤔
question, why do LGB and straight people have to change their sexualites/attraction/behaviors but the people saying shit like this never do?
Why does a gay man have to explain he wants someone with a dick and who is male? Why can't no be enough like it is for everyone else? if you want to LARP cool.
Just don't expect the world to change because a small portion of the population and a even smaller part of the population seem to care more about validation from lgb/straight people then they do having actual relationships with people who'd accept them.
This shit is homophobic and gross behavior